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Old 08-01-2007   #21 (permalink)
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If there are aliens visiting earth, I think it's far more likely that they exist as protrusions of hyperintelligent pan-dimensional beings.
As soon as I manage to parse that, I'll let you know if I agree.
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As soon as I manage to parse that, I'll let you know if I agree.
I think he's referring to mice.

As to the OP, I think the likelihood of Extraterrestrial intelligence is quite high, purely because of the numbers and odds involved. I am, however, beginning to think that the odds are quite a bit slimmer than 1,000,000 to 1 because it is my belief that not only would the planetary conditions need to be ideal (water and atmosphere etc). A planet would probably also need to meet certain solar system related requisites: sufficient radiation levels; correct orbiting distance; and probably the presence of some type of natural satellite.

I'm not very well studied on matters of the universe, so I could be entirely incorrect.

On a related note, here is a link to an article I recently read.
Aliens Among Us -- Discover Magazine
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But what about life as we don’t know it? What if other, completely distinct forms of biology also took root on the early Earth? After all, the swiftness with which life appeared might mean that it could easily do so anytime, anywhere the conditions are right. If so, maybe life arose more than once at different locations on the early Earth. Those other organisms might have their own biochemistry and a separate evolutionary history.

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Yep, it was a shameless Hitchhiker's reference.

I do think that the likelihood of there NOT being life is smaller than the likelihood that we live on the only life-sustaining planet in the universe. We know that there are other G2 stars out there that are very similar to the sun, even ones as close by as Alpha Centauri A. If stars of similar composition can form, does it not make sense that planets of similar composition could also form?

Then, of course, there is (as TruthFatal has pointed out) the possibility of life so alien to us that we don't even recognize it. All in all, the chances that "we are alone" seem pretty slim.
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@Voice: You do know that a verifiable flying saucer testing facility is in the vacinity of most UFO sightings, right?
No, I don't know that. UFO sightings occur everywhere, including in broad daylight over cities with thousands of witnesses.

Your question conveys an ignorance I cannot begin to address. That's not an insult - just my perspective. My suggestion is to lay down your "skepticism" and listen to what people are reporting, and have been for decades. Not just common people (by the millions), but pilots, military personnel, and other trained observers. And not just faraway craft in the sky, but face to face contact with extraterrestrials (again, everywhere in the world). Then later you can pick up your skepticism again and see what explanation truly makes the most sense.

Right now you are one of many people who get their information from very limited sources, so your perspective and conclusions are very limited.

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I think it much more likely that the U.S. government has done undisclosed flight experiments than that aliens are here.
A seriously flawed theory, which fails to explain even a small fraction of the data. But there's not much point in discussing it here. We simply come from two different worlds. From my perspective, you subscribe to a culture of denial (perhaps without realizing it). You exist in a bubble that limits your information and dismisses anything which is officially denied.

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Ockham's razor.
Actually, applying Ockham's razor would yield a very simple result: the reported experiences are exactly what they appear to be - other-worldly beings. That is by far the simplest and most self-coherent explanation. The deniers go to great and complex lengths to maintain denial, all the while claiming they are honoring Ockham's razor.

Frankly, it's startling to me that with what has been reported and investigated on this planet, people still manage to deny it. And not just any people, but relatively intelligent people. In fact, it seems the "intelligent" people have the greatest problem seeing the obvious in this and other areas. Most "common" people have an intuitive sense of the truth of these things, without even knowing many details. (That's not to say there aren't some extremely brilliant people working on this question without denying it - I'm merely speaking of general trends.)

I shall have to make a study of human denial. It is remarkably powerful.

At any rate, most contactees report that the 'visitors' will make their presence more known as time goes on (and that in fact appears to be happening). You would do well to get informed before that happens. The danger is that when official denial no longer works, it will turn into official misinformation. The powers that be will frame the visitors as malevolent even where they are not. If you continue to believe their stories, you will miss a great opportunity (and are already missing it).

They offer a new world... if you can take it.


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In case we will make a contact with alien life forms, I hope that they won't be imperialist. Being an Estonian, having Russia as a neighbour is enough.
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In case we will make a contact with alien life forms, I hope that they won't be imperialist. Being an Estonian, having Russia as a neighbour is enough.
Some may be, some may not. Some visitors may be malevolent, seeking to imprison and exploit humanity. Some may be helpful, seeking to inspire our growth.

The same can be said of humans.

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It certainly is a possibility, but I have yet to see anything that forces me to believe we have discovered it.
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In short, they're here. And they always have been.
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At the risk of sending c.dric creeping again, this was discovered yesterday (Aug 9)...


Crop Circle at Westwoods (3), Nr Marlborough, Wiltshire. Reported 9th August 2007.
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Aaaaah.. crop-circles. So as not to go off-topic, i'll start a crop-circle thread

Which can be found HERE
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