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More signs that the Vatican is understanding they need to move with the times to survive I think

Now all they have to do is say they believe all life started when lightning hit a mud puddle and they'll be there.

Well I agree with Ras here..the bible doesnt change..God doesnt change although through time many have compromised its very existence or we would not have the issues we face now with the Muslim country and every other spiritual head that claims they are the answer.

I dont know about outside existence..alien life forms if you will. I have never read it in the bible personally or have been taught on the issue..I will say its possible..God can do what he wants when he wants and how he wants..we are his creation..and made us for his benefit..for his good.

However we must not jump over board and compromise our beliefs to move with the times..well I mean in the spiritual realm..thats why we are where we are at now and up against Hell here on earth because man has moved away from a consistent spiritual path..peace..and tranquility..anyway..sorry I am jumping off the bridge here. I personally dont believe in alien life form..however..I do believe in spiritual warfare..that we do indeed get attacked by a source we cannot identify with..my guess its Satan..so..even though science sais what it sais..unless they too find and experience and the depth of soul searching they too will continue to navigate to answers on how the world came about and they will do it in there own wisdom..not that of Gods.. man will always continue to supercede and try to surpass the wisdom of God..just the way it is...

Sherri

The Bible is silent on the issue of extraterrestrial life. At least it never denies it. That doesn't mean anything to the Vatican. They do little more than nod at the Bible and make up the rest of the rules as they go along.

A little bit off-topic but since you mentioned Satan I had to post this: Dwindling In Unbelief: Who has killed more, Satan or God?

Hi Ras

EXACTLY!

Hi MRiGnS

Well to me a presence of evil would be in the form of Satin in the 3rd dimensional spirit world..who can be confused with spirits/aliens..as far as being invisible and all. It is clear the word does not convey that aliens live or denounces them. Also as I said God can do what he wants when he wants and how he wants..he is merciful..so rather the killings in this other post I read be by his judgment or however they are predicated, he is merciful..and in this granting life or death even so after earthly life..if one believes. He does not command death with predatorial glee, there is a reason for everything that happens..a time and season as well. Personally since I am a believer I just assume walk the line a bit knowing and believing he is indeed in charge..regardless of how ugly things may appear to be..its actually above our heads in some ways more than others, and left to be explained when we make it through the doors to Heaven..granted we make it. There is a just cause for all biblical procuracies..but it is hidden from the wise..the secrets revel in very worth while cause. God is omnipotent..omniscient..and omnipresent. Who of you that exist can claim these terms in purity..not me..over and out

Sherri

I don't think either of them have killed that many at all, I'm a believer in free will. We kill ourselves and each other.

Great flood = anthropogenic global warming?
Sodom and Gomorrah = first nuclear war in history?

Great flood = either never happened, or it was a regular flood that turned into a great flood as the story was passed down.

Sodom and Gomorrah = either never happened, or a meteorite hit a village, and it evolved into the story it did as it was passed down generation to generation.

Hi MRiGns


Ok the girl needs to untie her tongue..hard to do...and probably wont be successful for and to the parties involved..which I so want to do..

Ok..remember the Lord uses the earths natural happenings to take place,,he allows for things as mentioned above as you say..MRiGns..see..its not a magical happening..its actually resources loosed from the earth..well its hard to explain..but God allows for the natural happenings to take place and even so it participates in his will...ok I will take a chair here and sit in a corner..as I know my alternative speech may be confusing..

Sherri

Hi Ras..

even so,,as quoted with MRiGnS..the same difference..I do believe both took place..

Sherri

Didn't God at one point in the Bible send a bunch of fiery serpents down out of Heaven to eat some people who were complaining about going on an Exodus? Doesn't sound too natural to me.

EDIT: Yeah, he did. Numbers 21:5-6.

I respect your beliefs even if I may not share them. Question for you: would you be able to believe in God if you either didn't believe or never knew of these "miracle" stories?

Another: Do you think a flower, the human eye, or the galaxy is any less amazing than a big flood or a firestorm rained down on a city of perverts?

I didnt look up the quote but "send a bunch of fiery serpents down out of Heaven to eat some people" sounds a hell of a lot like meteorites to me (ones too large to burn up in the atmosphere).

When interpreting anything written thousands of years ago, we have to consider how events would have been rationalized with the total lack of modern science at their disposal that we have, and take for granted, today.

I dunno, it doesn't sound too plausible to me. I think a meteorite large enough to resist break-up in the upper atmosphere would do a bit more damage than "eating" a few whiners.

For instance, the Tunguska meteor was maybe a couple dozen meters across, but it threw enough dust into the stratosphere (hence, reflecting light) to allow people on the other side of the world to read at night for weeks afterward. Atmospheric pressure variations were recorded as far away as the UK and it blew out windows and knocked people off their feet for hundreds of miles around. And that wasn't even big enough to hit- it exploded a few kilometers over the Earth.

Since Tunguska was way out in the middle of nowhere, nobody much cared at the time. But imagine that hitting somewhere in the Sinai Peninsula- since the Israelites at the time were moving from Egypt to Israel, they'dve gone over the Peninsula. That's right in the cradle of civilization. Multiple impact events in that area would be remembered more vividly than a few verses in the middle of Numbers, and we'd have physical evidence we could check against today.

For reference, Numbers 21:5-6, from whatever translation the Skeptics' Annotated Bible uses:
It's also debatable whether or not a great big hunk of rock tens of meters across would resemble a "serpent" that "bit" people. Looking a few verses ahead in Numbers, I can see that God told Moses to make a brass snake, and anybody who got bit after that would just need to look at the brass snake would be fine:
that must have been one special brass snake to cure a meteorite strike.

You are clearly far more well versed (excuse the pun) in matters biblical than I, but from my recollection a meteorite tens of meters across would be more likely to devastate a large area and leave a big fat crater perhaps the size of a modern town, so that's not what I had in mind.

I was thinking more of something just large enough not to burn up - just large enough to survive the atmosphere. And at the speed that would be traveling I do think it could be portrayed as a fiery serpent, especially when placed in the context of a story no doubt embellished over generations. Something tens of meters across would be thousands of times more devastating.

As for Moses and his brass serpent pole - who the hell knows? Lies? Propaganda? Science fiction? Fantasy? Someone was on acid? One of many examples that suggest to me the whole publication should never ever be read as a literal, historical non-fiction work.

Hi Ras..
I do think I would believe in Christ with out the miracles..many people come to know God on the entry terms..you know like..who made the sun..moon. and not knowing any or all the biblical stories.. Creation alone informs us to knowing deep down that there must be a God..he will someday snuff out the sun he has created..he created the stars and the moon, who of us can do that.what if God used the Big Bang theory to do just that,.,create the earth..but the bible does not say this..it basically just sais God created the Heavens and earth.. Now if you read the book of Job..it does go into detail about who did this that and the other things in regards to the nature of earth being created..

Ok on the second question, having trouble trying to decipher that it..I think the miracles performed by God almighty rather big or small are amazing..one does not really supercede the other..a miracle is a miracle..and
when fire and brimbstone flooded the Soddam and Ghomorra by the hand of God then that too is a miracle..who of us can make that happens except by the aid of Nuclear weapons. Now..did something erupt out of control..like a major valcanic explosion..dont know..

Ras.. I respect your preferences to serve time here on earth as you choose..but if I can shed some light I will..as to which direction you seek..


Sherri..

Hi Iandefor..
Hey I am glad you are into the word..cool..to me I think it was literal..snakes as it were,,remember...they werent from the sky...the wilderness of Sinai has a variety of snakes, many hide in the sand and attack without warning,,so God must have commanded them to take out those who were back-lashing, humans that is..they had forgotten all the miracles that God had performed to save them..isnt it so just like us even so?

Hey and about the brass snake..do note..he is God..he can so what he wants, when he wants and how he wants..so I just assume go his way than my own..I may not be able to reason many many things biblically..doesnt matter..in the end I will know everything there is to know upon my arrival in the Kingdom,..wow..have to say Halleluga on that one

Sherri