As far as I know, Asians are the only non-white minority that generally do not qualify for affirmative action programs involving school admissions.

By 'Asain' do you mean persons from South East Asia? In Europe we use the term Asain to refer to all of Asia including the Middle East, it looks like people in the US use it differently though.

I mean people of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Filipino, Vietnamese, Thai, etc descent. I don't mean Arabs.

We going to wrestle over diction or talk about the subject at hand?

BTW, I don't know if Americans of Arab descent qualify for AA programs in school admissions or not, but I'd be interested to find out.

Could you explain what these programs are please? I don't know the terms

And we also use the term Asian for all people from Asia, not only south east, and east asia.

These programs are employed by colleges and universities. Typically, someone who is black or hispanic doesn't have to score as well on their entrance exams or have held as high a grade point average as a whitey to be accepted.

Ok, another thread about blacks.

I think it's the usual overcompensation for periods after periods of sever harm discrimination etc.

It takes long to level off (I'm not sure this is the right term)

You can see this stuff on many occasions in history.

Women after they got the same rights as men, Native Americans, Jews in Europe and so on.

I'm neither claiming this to be good or bad. It's just the way it is.

In 2 Million years you would have the same with fishmen.

Chinese and Japanese immigrants were screwed over too in the U.S. Hell, the Democrats stuck Japanese in camps only sixty years ago. If its to compensate for past discrimination then why aren't Asians included in these AA programs?

But people see them as the evil ones, attacking back then.

People never heard about women, or blacks invading the United States with their armies.

My theory only covers groups accepted as past victims.

Germany still has to pay money to other countries being victims of the Nazis for example, while Russia doesn't has pay money to the deported people of former Eastern Germany (pre WW2 borders not the GDR).

Japanese Americans never attacked anyone, tho they did fight Imperial Japanese along with other Americans during WWII while other Japanese Americans were put in interment camps. These people lost businesses and more.

You aren't going to spin it around, they got screwed. The same people who discriminated and continue to discriminate blacks also discriminate against Asians. Asians can also be the victim of discrimination by blacks.

Tell me again why Asians should not get special treatment under AA programs?

Just learn to read or stfu.

You tried to say Asians shouldn't get affirmative action because the Japanese attacked the U.S.

LOL That was a knee slapper.

Its not a failure to read on my part, its your inability to make any sense, much less come up with a consistent argument. Asians have been discriminated against in the U.S. just like other minorities. Tell me why they shouldn't benefit from affirmative action programs.

Its not specifically like that,From what I was aware of, its for situations like where Mr.caucasian and Mr Hispanic both have same grades and credentials, Mr. Hispanic gets picked because colleges and universities have certain quotas of minorities to fill.

IM not sure as to why asians dont fit into this action.

Maybe because people expect them to be amazing anyways? they dont need help.

Read what I wrote lol. A hint, try to read all of it.

That right thar's your problem.

Nobody with two brain cells to bang together in the US still believes that the hundred thousand or so Japanese Americans that were interned were affiliated with the Japanese government.

That a war over for more than six decades is somehow the root of a relative lack of affirmative action programs for Asians isn't really a credible hypothesis.

One can't help but note a parallel between the conception (by some) back then, that all Japanese were agents of evil, and the conception now by some, that all Moslems are terrorists (or at least supporters of terrorism).

Jeeez, you guys do love your moral equivilancy argument. The one thing consistent about it, is it always fails. Lets count the ways what you're comparing are fundamentally different.

1. Islam is a religion - something one chooses to believe. You can reasonably expect an Muslim to have a foundation of certain beliefs, where just because someones ancestors immigrated from a country, doesn't mean they support the regime in power in that particular country.

2. There is no real conception that all Muslims are terrorists or supporters of terror, but there is the fact that a significant number of them are. Look at the statistics I posted a while back about the number of Muslims in Detroit who support Sharia law, who'd favor violence - then look at the numbers in Germany. Never mind the Palestinians who voted to be led by a terrorist organization. You can't point to any crowds of Japanese Americans celebrating in the streets when Pearl Harbor was attacked as you saw crowds of Muslims cheering over 9/11. Terrorist acts are being carried out by Muslims worldwide every day, and when you look at the amount of funding they can raise, you know that the supporters aren't limited to some powerless fringe. There is absolutely no parallel in the relationship between Japanese Americans and the Emperor and government of Imperialist Japan.

3. I know of no policy maker who has had any success promoting the idea of internment camps for Muslems. They were a reality for Japanese Americans.


Anyway, back to the question - why aren't Asians benefiting from affirmative action programs?

Perhaps one is a religion and one is a nationality, but they are both cultures, and anyway it seems to me that the relevant factor in the Japanese case would be their 'patriotism' to their country - which is a choice every bit as much as belief in a religion is. Also, I think it is safe to say there is as much diversity in Islamic beliefs as there is/was diversity in governmental regimes in Japan.

Well if we want to make the comparison sensible, we would have to compare Japanese Americans with Islamic Americans, right? So you are telling us there were crowds Islamic Americans cheering over 9/11? I must have missed that.

This is to my mind simply a reflection of the progress made in society since the 1940's. You might even say that the USA has learned from its mistake with the Japanese reaction. There are plenty I'm sure who would support the idea if it was raised - but the 'policy makers' know that it would not be tolerated anyway.

Ask the Government - or better yet, do some research on the foundations of the affirmative action policies and why it was formally targeted at some groups but not others. Then you'll have your answer.

What are you talking about? Have you ever read accounts of people who were interned in those camps? A significant number of people in those camps had no loyalty whatsoever to Japan. Many regarded themselves as American, not Japanese. They did indeed have a choice as to whom they were loyal to- but that choice wasn't relevant to whether or not they were interned.

The perception of the people often does not have much to do with the reality.

And that's the point.

You haven't communicated a sensible point in this thread yet. Do feel free to keep trying.