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Old 10-03-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Ok, this isn't a law, its a resolution.

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H. RES. 635

Recognizing the commencement of Ramadan, the Islamic holy month of fasting and spiritual renewal, and commending Muslims in the United States and throughout the world for their faith.

Ms. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON of Texas (for herself, Mr. MEEKS of New York, and Mr. ELLISON) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs...

RESOLUTION
Recognizing the commencement of Ramadan, the Islamic holy month of fasting and spiritual renewal, and commending Muslims in the United States and throughout the world for their faith.

Whereas since the terrorist attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001, threats and incidents of violence have been directed at law-abiding, patriotic Americans of African, Arab, and South Asian descent, particularly members of the Islamic faith;

Whereas, on September 14, 2001, the House of Representatives passed a concurrent resolution condemning bigotry and violence against Arab-Americans, American Muslims, and Americans from South Asia in the wake of the terrorist attacks;

Whereas it is estimated that there are approximately 1,500,000,000 Muslims worldwide;

Whereas Ramadan is the holy month of fasting and spiritual renewal for Muslims worldwide, and is the 9th month of the Muslim calendar year; and

Whereas the observance of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan commences at dusk on September 13, 2007, and continues for one lunar month: Now, therefore, be it


Resolved, That—

(1) during this time of conflict, in order to demonstrate solidarity with and support for members of the community of Islam in the United States and throughout the world, the House of Representatives recognizes the Islamic faith as one of the great religions of the world; and

(2) in observance of and out of respect for the commencement of Ramadan, the Islamic holy month of fasting and spiritual renewal, the House of Representatives acknowledges the onset of Ramadan and expresses its deepest respect to Muslims in the United States and throughout the world on this significant occasion.
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So they want Congress to Announce that Islam is one of the great religions of the world (numbers alone should tell us that); and they want Congress to acknowledge the onset of Ramadan (it would be hard to deny it); and they want Congress to express respect for Muslims.

Not exactly earth-shattering stuff there, but I have no objection. I don't feel that it's unconstitutional to do those things--indeed, one might argue that they're kind of already being done anyway, just not officially.
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So they want Congress to Announce that Islam is one of the great religions of the world (numbers alone should tell us that); and they want Congress to acknowledge the onset of Ramadan (it would be hard to deny it); and they want Congress to express respect for Muslims.

Not exactly earth-shattering stuff there, but I have no objection. I don't feel that it's unconstitutional to do those things--indeed, one might argue that they're kind of already being done anyway, just not officially.
Been reading here for a while before joining ... and I gotta say, "Get your head out of the sand!" Why don't you go ahead and have Congress say that the KKK is a great, community organization. We're talking about a religion that would like to bring down our society as we know it. Sure ... I think that's a GREAT religion. Gimme a break.
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comparing Islam and the KKK? What's up with that?

Firstly the KKK isn't a religion, and secondly am I missing something>about this post that should be obvious?
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comparing Islam and the KKK? What's up with that?
Yeah really, the KKK doesn't treat it's women like cattle. I hate the KKK as much as the next guy, but you're being a little hard on them comparing them to Islam.
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Why don't you go ahead and have Congress say that the KKK is a great, community organization. We're talking about a religion that would like to bring down our society as we know it. Sure ... I think that's a GREAT religion. Gimme a break.
Well, I don't think "great" was commenting on the "goodness" of the religion. If by "great religion" they mean to make a pronouncement on how morally or philosophically good the religion is, then Congress probably doesn't have any business (or the qualifications, for that matter) to make such a pronouncement.

I thought it meant "great" as in, "big." Which is easily checked by statistics, so Congress can't possibly mess it up.

Secondly, the original question was whether Congress's resolution was constitutional, not whether it was in good taste.

Finally, the more I think about this, I think it's a pointless thing for Congress to do. It is an attempt to counteract the anti-Muslim sentiment in this country, and to counteract the international impression that Americans are anti-Muslim. But it cannot possibly do either of those things, IMO. And it sounds stupid (like I said, what does it mean to "acknowledge the onset of Ramadan"? Do we need a resolution to acknowledge the onset of the month of October?)
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Yeah really, the KKK doesn't treat it's women like cattle. I hate the KKK as much as the next guy, but you're being a little hard on them comparing them to Islam.
ok. who's to say that they don't, they're all individuals. And BTW, harsh much?
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ok. who's to say that they don't, they're all individuals. And BTW, harsh much?
Was that harsh? Sorry tadpole, I didn't mean to be harsh at you.
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And it sounds stupid (like I said, what does it mean to "acknowledge the onset of Ramadan"? Do we need a resolution to acknowledge the onset of the month of October?)
This means that they are respecting the observence of Ramadan. It actually does really good when they say it, more people vote next term.
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Secondly, the original question was whether Congress's resolution was constitutional, not whether it was in good taste.
It was consitutional. Good taste? Probably. What Congress should be spending time on? Definately not.

I just want to see if any of our resident militant atheists will have a melt down over it like they do "in god we trust" on money and christmas trees, etc.
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You have all made good points.

I do understand that the KKK is not a religion; but you have to admit that radical Muslims and radical racists are full of hate. It's scary to me that an entire part of the world is being programmed to hate Americans and it's coming in the disguise of religious beliefs.

I understand that it is probably more of a diplomatic gesture.

I am VERY much in agreement that Congress would be better served spending time on something else.

My original post was meant to get you to think.
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You have all made good points.

I do understand that the KKK is not a religion; but you have to admit that radical Muslims and radical racists are full of hate. It's scary to me that an entire part of the world is being programmed to hate Americans and it's coming in the disguise of religious beliefs.

I understand that it is probably more of a diplomatic gesture.

I am VERY much in agreement that Congress would be better served spending time on something else.

My original post was meant to get you to think.
I knew what you were saying. I was just messing with our resident adolecent.
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All that being an adolesent means is that I do not have as much experience. It does not mean that I cannot make a coherent arguement, even if I can't spell.
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All that being an adolesent means is that I do not have as much experience. It does not mean that I cannot make a coherent arguement, even if I can't spell.

Then what is the cause of your incoherrent arugments? Does your parents know what you are doing? If they knew the kind of stuff that gets discussed here, would they let you read it?

Like you'd give me an honest answer.
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Please stop finding these things. And if you insist on finding them and posting them please disguise the title so I won't know it's about Congress, e.g. "Fuzzy bunny rabbits shall make no law..." What I think would be useful activity for Congress may be very different from what others think, but maybe we can agree that they're wasting our friggin' money?
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On that we agree. They're wasting pretty much everything. That's why their approval rating is lower than Bush's.
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Then what is the cause of your incoherrent arugments? Does your parents know what you are doing? If they knew the kind of stuff that gets discussed here, would they let you read it?

Like you'd give me an honest answer.
Yews they know I'm here. No they don't know what I post to. They think all I do is forum games, but no they would not object as long as I don't give out my name and address. I just think that what they don't know won't hurt them.
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