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Old 08-19-2008   #141 (permalink)
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Default Re: Should a gay fairy tale book be read to second graders?

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Its tempting, but I don't think I'm going to repeat the same points I've already made. My position has been explained perfectly clear.

As for etc... obviously I'm talking about core curriculem as opposed to things like political views, religion, and so on. Kids don't go to school to learn the right opinion they learn how to function in the world.
Well, presumably yes. But it is still arguable where the line might fall between what is 'core curriculum' and what isn't. Maths and science are pretty clearly factual. English language too. And maybe Computer Studies these days. But beyond that, it might get a little less clear. Social Studies, Civics, Phys Ed, Classical Languages, Home Economics, Sex Ed, History, Arts, Music - just about everything else that comes to mind has some degree of question mark over whether it is likely to be 'opinion' or 'fact'.

Note that I am not arguing that any of those subjects mentioned should be excluded - I think they are all important (to varying degrees - perhaps classical languages is an exception, as I'm having trouble thinking of any great importance in that). I'm just highlighting the fact that some people might disagree, and that opens up the same issue as exists about the book in this thread.

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Default Re: Should a gay fairy tale book be read to second graders?

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Well, presumably yes. But it is still arguable where the line might fall between what is 'core curriculum' and what isn't. Maths and science are pretty clearly factual. English language too. And maybe Computer Studies these days. But beyond that, it might get a little less clear. Social Studies, Civics, Phys Ed, Classical Languages, Home Economics, Sex Ed, History, Arts, Music - just about everything else that comes to mind has some degree of question mark over whether it is likely to be 'opinion' or 'fact'.

Note that I am not arguing that any of those subjects mentioned should be excluded - I think they are all important (to varying degrees - perhaps classical languages is an exception, as I'm having trouble thinking of any great importance in that). I'm just highlighting the fact that some people might disagree, and that opens up the same issue as exists about the book in this thread.
Social Studies, Civics- so long as it is worthwhile facts - history, how government works, etc. - no problem with it here,

Phys Ed - ok, but we don't need taxpayer funded gymnaseums, weightrooms, courts, etc. Run them around a the block a few times and make 'em do push ups and sit ups.


Classical Languages - I don't see the ? here. What would be wrong with a kid learning to speak another language?

Home Economics - this one is iffy

Sex Ed - this is part of science class...and its education, not enabling

History - why a question mark here? it is part of social studies. Stick to facts about meaningful history and its fine.

Arts, Music - I have no real problem with kids learning to do these things in school provided all the other academic needs are met.

Nothing you listed here amounts to opinion.
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Yes and even explaining what BDSM is so they can steer clear of people like that! - Grown-ups know how sick the world can become - it is up to us to guide our kids from what is bad to what can be a good thing - if their hormones take them a different way and they are listening to a different drummer...
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