Sigh...

I would think indoctrination would be an appropriate word if for example the book was expressly about homosexuality, and designed to help the teacher or parent guide the kiddies through learning that it was normal or even preferable etc.

My understanding is the book simply has a same sex couple in it - that is not indoctrination, it is absence of censorship.

Once again it seems clear that you have completely missed the point - its beginning to seem like normality.

So now books with hetro couples are censorship? They certainly aren't controversial and won't ruffle anyone's feathers. And no one has said parents can't read their kids gay stories all they want.

Your logic goes from bad to worse - how the hell you got from my statement to "books with hetro couples are censorship" I'll never know. To clarify ... let's try a hypothetical: let's say ... no actually I can't be bothered since it's early in the morning (pre-coffee) and I think you are actually understanding perfectly well anyway, and just answering with the silly responses in an effort to make trouble. If you seriously can't understand the difference between exposure to some aspect of normal life, and indoctrination, please say so, and I'll get out the big fat crayons and try to explain it more simply.

Normal life is that without reading gay fairy tales to elementry school kids.

So are you saying Gays are not normal? freaks?

What I don't get is why you guys still bother. As if it weren't totally obvious that the man's a bigoted, reactionary fool, as clueless as they come.
Why try and make him admit it, too? He'll never get beyond his simplistic, black-or-white opinions. You don't go deep-sea fishing in a puddle, do you?

This was my first and last such discussion on this forum. I'll be more careful when noticing and responding to reactionary comments that are designed for one purpose.

Yep, I've been leaning this way in my opinion lately - think you've sold me He can join Big Dave as the only other person in my ignore list.

I'm saying a fairy tale book for children about gays is not normal. I don't think I've said the word "freaks" in this thread at all.

Just head over to democraticunderground.com. They don't allow people who'll disagree with you to post there. More traffic too.

Enjoy the forum games threads.

I've never taken advantage of this feature before. It's very effective.

I think the education system should cover *all* aspects of the world. Not a specific form of sexuality, not a specific religion, not a specific theory of life etc...

As soon as you start excluding individual items due to them being 'controversial' you start perpetuating the fact they are controversial rather than allowing the children to decide for themselves. What a child is taught is *not* the domain of a parent - it is the domain of society as a whole. Otherwise you'll end up getting parents who are strict Christians refusing the teaching of other religions etc...

Let the government create a good, wide ranging curriculum that teaches everything equally and be done with it - that's what we do in the UK.

Who are you to say what is normal and not? Also, what is normal?

Who am I? I'm someone with a vocabulary that surpasses a kindergartener's and a capacity for rational thought. If you don't know what normal means, I suggest you repeat elementry school. You've been ripped off.

Normal means conforming to the standard or what is common.

I want some harder questions please.

Well as this thread refers to homosexuality and you say such a text would not be normal, I asked you to say what is normal. This would (haha) normally mean I would like a response in relation to the rest of the thread. Obviously doing this is too complex for you. Instead you prefer to simply be a loud-mouthed troll who needs to grow up and stop thinking he is better than everyone else. It would also help if you could spell 'elementary' properly when you try to make comments about someone's education. And also, being from the UK, I never went to elementary school.

Now, back on topic - in the 1940's/1950's a study was undertaken in the USA which gauged the number of people who had taken part in homosexual contact. For men the number was 37%, and for women 13%. These are not tiny numbers - that would be in the 10's of millions of people. Seems like homosexuality is pretty common to me... source

But even if you don't follow those stats, and even if it is only 1 - 2% like some sources report, that is still quite common. This would be between 3 and 6 million people in the USA(that is more than the population of a lot of different countries), or if that figure were used to create a worldwide number, that would mean 67 million people, more than the population of the UK - quite common.

So, as I said, who are you to decide what is normal? You are obviously mistaken! But for now, I'm simply going to add you as my first ignore list member.

On the natural argument
Homosexuality in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seems it is nor only normal and common, but natural

Why would you ask me 18 questions if you're going to put me on ignore? Or are you lying about that?

Indeed! The entire argument against homosexuality seems to be flawed.

No one has been arguing against homosexuality. Noting that people are usually not homosexual and that second graders can be taught to read and write and do math without controversial material is not arguing agains homosexuality.

Speaking of flawed, that would be the study (Kinsey report) linked to above. Also, I really like the "but animals do it" argument. That's a clincher.