That's because you believe some things are appropriate in elementary school, and some things aren't.

If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch with the puppies.

I didn't compare a fairy tale with porn, I said "if a little's good, a lot ought to be better."

Tell me why they shouldn't just up and show gay porn in kindergarten. Explain it to me.

If the porn is educational nothing would be wrong with it, but I doubt you'll learn much out of most of them.

We were shown cartoon porn in the second grade as part of our sexual education. I wouldn't have had any problem with showing some homosexual scenes in it.

As there is nothing wrong with being homosexual, it's just as normal as being heterosexual, and it should be part of social and sexual education.

Just for the record, you are saying that it would be fine to show second graders video of two men having sex?

Yes?

I don't know about all EU countries but I know from Italy and Germany that they are showing film containing sexual intercourse between heterosexual couples in elementary school.

And I don't think it would harm to show some homosexual scenes too.

Most of the time the films are cartoons though.

Get rid of that question mark Soldier. You either want kindergärtners to watch a guy taking it up the bum in full living color or you don't. Which is it?

Yes, I do.

They should use preservatives though, and explain what they are for.

Ok, now your in territory I know nothing about. Preservatives eh? Please don't tell me any more. Jeezus I about fell out of my chair LOL.

Anyway, I rest my case, nothing further for this witness your honor.

Oh, lol I just looked it up in the dictionary. I meant a condom.

I thought you could call it that way in English, but apparently it describes something totally different ^^

im pretty sure they dont show kids cartoon porn in the uk, personally im with rasczak, cartoon/real gay/straight doesnt come into it, you shouldnt show 6-7 year olds porn. theres a difference between a fairy story and porn in that in a story (i hope) theres nothing sexual in it. whether its steve rescuing rebecca from a dragon/tower or steve rescuing robert.but i satill think year 2 is too early.

Why?

Are you afraid they turn gay?

no, i dont know about germany/italy, but here its still q moderately controversial topic, and 6 year olds shouldnt have to deal with any controversy.

education could stop the controversy.

This is the thing with you guys - the same people that call for tolerance really want no such thing. In your mind there is only one acceptable position and you want government to enforce it.

Couldn't have said it better.

[quote=LordFu;89450]Again, the issue isn't the homosexuality. It's about a parent's right to choose when their children learn about anything, period. As a responsible parent, I'm not going to abdicate that decision to the state. If it were a book on Christopher Columbus, and I objected to it, I have the right to make that decision. You're missing the point in your blind state-worship.

I'm sorry LordFu, but I have to call you here. Parents have a right to say that their kids can't learn something, to a point. This book would be teaching acceptance, which needs to be learned at a young age. I'm not gay, so I'm not biased that way, nor are any of my friends gay. (It's not that I'm against that group of people but all of my friends are writers and none of them fall into that category where I live in my small town.) What you are sayinng is just like stating, "You can't read that story to my kid, there's a black person in it!" and then getting all angry. Which ever you say, it's descrimination and the world shouldn't tolarate something like that in this day and age, not should you be promotion it.

Trust me, were not missing the point your bringa across, were seeing it for what it is.

This is a bit cryptic but, is this you officially saying that you think if one believes in tolerance for anything, you should therefore tolerate anything and everything, otherwise you are a hypocrite? That's my best interpretation of it. If you meant something else, please do elucidate.

You don't have t send you kids on a public school. I don't see what's the problem.

Public schools, public rules.

Aren't you two the ones saying the public schools suck anyway, and you don't want your children to attend one?

Soltution: Don't send them there, it's easy. Even conservatives should be able to understand that.

A public school has to teach children all the stuff, 11% of children are homosexual, so why should they be discriminated?

There are religious private schools "without" homosexuals.

Tolerating intolerance is of the same stuff as ignoring what Hitler did because it didn't happen in America. If they hadn't been intolerant, nothing would have happened. Even if we are a bit hypocritical, it is a better state of mind.