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Old 10-19-2007   #81 (permalink)
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Maybe that has something to do with your utopian ideal being unachievable in the real world. That, and the fact that collectivism, in reality, is just a rationalization for oligarchy.
I think a utopia is achievable, I just don't think it would work in large masses. Like we will never achieve one giant utopia in the United States but we could achieve many smaller ones.
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I think a utopia is achievable, I just don't think it would work in large masses. Like we will never achieve one giant utopia in the United States but we could achieve many smaller ones.
Yeah, like individual person sized utopias.
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Yeah, like individual person sized utopias.
Not what I was describing but ok, whatever floats your boat.
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Not what I was describing but ok, whatever floats your boat.
Mass utopia is a fantasy that has never been achieved, where individuals are happy and successful all the time so long as government stays out of their way and protects their liberties.
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What is utopia anyway? A place where everyone is happy? What defines happiness, and should it even be the goal?

IMO we should strive to -within reasonable limits- help anyone to find out what they want to do, try to do that. (As long as it is not destructive.) And i do think that providing, education, help through harder times should be part of that.
You could say that asking for tax to do this would be 'robbing freedom'. (And some do) But not being able to pay for education, having to work hard(for instance, because labor is cheap) costs freedom just as much, or more.
And of course, you would also say that it would lead to 'oligargy' and it does not work. Well, i believe it can work pretty reasonably. Although, for poorer countries you might actually be taxing progress. So perhaps in the case of poorer countries, where tax can only provide a drop on a glowing plate in terms of wellfare, tax should go to the basic infrastructure, and ventures to get out of poverty, which would otherwise not be attempted.
I maintain that slaving the cheaper labor, and not providing free education in a rich country which can afford it pretty sounds like barbarism to me.
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