Well, what was it for?

Well, we don't know .... when Satan tempted Jesus on the mountain, didn't Jesus say "Get thee behind me, Satan!"

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yea, but that just means that Satan had no affect on him and Jesus was in charge. I have the same power now that Jesus lives in me through his holy spirit. Evil has no power. It can't condemn me and it can't convict me because Jesus paid my price and defeated death so I could live forever with God.

a) i believe that we have the freedom to choose whatever we want, if he wants me or not, i still have the power to choose my path. also, would that not defeat the entire purpose of putting me on this planet, if no matter what i want to do, he wants me. so why should i start believing in him, loosing a few hours every week on sunday, when it makes no difference whatsoever?

b) also, i dont see liberal in opposition to god. i am a lover of new technology and ideas, i live in the future. i dont know why i would want to stick with the boring old stuff that worked a hundred years ago, in a different world... i wanna go for the new, adapted stuff... and im sure god supports progress, why else did he give us brains to work with (if you choose to use em, that is)

c) why does he hate gays more then killing. if i remember the commandments right, there was one that said "thou shalt not kill", nothing about "thou shalt not be gay" ...
are those ten statements not the most important thing???

and if he hates gays more then death, then why did jesus heal people, and not go on a killing rampage against all the gays?

The ten commandments are old testament. Grace is new testament. The ten commandments were created to show us we are unable to live up to Gods expectations. They were given to us to show us how week we are. Jesus coming and paying the ultimate price is the price God requires for sin, so all you have to do is acknowledge the gift of Jesus and accept the grace of God.

All that stuff about now is just difference in time. Life is still the same when you break it down. God is God.

So the Jesus helped you fighting your own homosexual fantasies?

I'm guessing they had something to do with zippers....

so the ten commandments are now false???

does that mean i can go out and kill random people, and god approves?



and also, back then, they still had religious fights, apparently ignoring the commandments, what is supposed to make me believe that this world is a better one?



also note my special title (devils advocate)

I don't have any fantasies. I live through God and God lives in me. God uses homosexuals to fight wars and get infections.

yes, it actually does mean that, but don't forget that you are still subject to mans laws, so if you get caught (unless you are in the army) you might go to jail.



I already told you that man is sinful and the 10 commandments were given to show us that. Is this a difficult thing for you to understand?

then why does man have laws, while god decided they were bad and removed them. should we not do the same with our laws?

LoL@This.Thread

Assuming you are not trolling and actually are looking for an answer I'll tell you this. All you have are various writings of various levels of confirmed legitimacy, and there are a lot of different parties with different ideas about what is legitimate.

That said, your first task is to carefully decide for yourself first what you consider authoritative source material on the subject of Jesus, and then from there, draw your own conclusion from reading the text.

Or the short cut route that most church-goers take - decide what you want to believe about him, then only acknowledge the stuff that supports your view.

You said earlier Jesus got the power to resist his homosexual fantasies with Satan, and that you would have the same power. Which would mean you have sexual fantasies with males but you have the power to resist.


If not, so you just lied, but apparently the ten commandments don't bother you so lying is fine I assume.

That's got to be your best post ever. I got the warm fuzzies.

lying doesn't matter. I am saved through grace not how I behave.

So, you got homosexual fantasies and don't have the power to resist, but lied to us saying you wouldn't have them as it does not matter. interesting.

If I have ever had homosexual fantasies, I don't know about them because God takes them from me and protects me from them. stop trying to second guess God, dude.

So you're saved through grace and your behavior doesn't matter..... unless of course you commit homosexual acts, or you are liberal, in which case grace no longer applies and your behavior does matter?

Sounds to me like you have made up your own little list. And on that list all of the things that you do are OK, but the things that you don't do are not OK. Convenient.

Haha, not even New Testament God is that forgiving, wherespapa. So, according to you, all those priests with the thing for little boys are going to Heaven with you? One ticket straight to Hell, please.

None of it matters if your really saved. Only you and God know that. If your homosexual your predisposed to war or disease anyway so that is insignificant. My list is Gods list and he speaks to me and George Bush.