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View Poll Results: Who should you believe in a rape case?
Believe the victim. Convict the accused. 1 8.33%
Believe the accused. No conviction. 2 16.67%
Believe the one that seems more truthful on a case by case basis. 9 75.00%
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Old 09-23-2007   #21 (permalink)
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hmm is this thread about how to react legally or how to react personally?
Without evidence and a trial of sorts, it would be impossible to react legally I would think.

Personally I believe a lot of women have cried wolf about rape over the years so there would most likely always be doubt in my mind about the alleged victims story. I don't know why, especially since I am myself a victim.
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I don't think arousal is a purely physical response at all, at least I know it isn't for me. Granted, it is more consistantly easily achieved when one is younger.
Well it isn't purely physical for me either, most of the time. But it can be, and that's my point. Particularly for a young, inexperienced male (which is probably the most likely victim anyway).
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ever been in the situation where you get this bulge in the worst situation, and you cant do anything about it???

i think, that arousal, is to a great extent, controlled by your brain stem (the not conscious part). this part of the brain doesn't care if i want to have sex or not, it just wants to make sure that ii reproduce to ensure the survival of the race...
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Well it isn't purely physical for me either, most of the time. But it can be, and that's my point. Particularly for a young, inexperienced male (which is probably the most likely victim anyway).
I don't mean that young. I'm talking 20's through 40 something.
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I don't mean that young. I'm talking 20's through 40 something.
You're absolutely right, rj. Although I think experience plays at least as large a role as age.
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ever been in the situation where you get this bulge in the worst situation, and you cant do anything about it???
hate that, and no amount of thinking of mo mowlem in a thong will get it to go away. but i digress, i agree with the innocent untill proven guilty, but i do think the bar for proof of guilt is sometimes set a bit high.
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Suppose a woman accuses a man of rape. Sometimes there is physical evidence to indicate the truth of the situation. But what about the cases where it's his word against hers? Who should you believe and why?

This is a tough question. Without any more facts or details, there is no reason to believe one over the other - either could be telling the truth.

However, at the risk of reading too much into this, I'll say I believe the man if I have to pick one or the other. No physical evidence. I'd expect to see some sort of physical evidence more often than not had a rape occured.
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hmm is this thread about how to react legally or how to react personally?
Well I meant it in the legal sense when I posed the question, but feel free to suggest your views in the personal sense as well.
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Well I meant it in the legal sense when I posed the question, but feel free to suggest your views in the personal sense as well.
How can you react legally when there is no evidence either way?
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How can you react legally when there is no evidence either way?
You have to. If the "victim" presses charges then you either find guilty or not guilty.
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You have to. If the "victim" presses charges then you either find guilty or not guilty.
You can't or at least shall not try someone for anything without evidence in a state under the rule of law. It wouldn't be right.

Of course it would and actually is very bad when a rapist comes away without any form of punishment.

But if you start putting people into custody just because the judges or the juries feel like it or they just don't like the suspect. Where would it stop?

The problem is that especially in a rape case it's very hard to prove someone guilty.


If you're in charge you're not allowed to believe neither the suspect nor the victim, you have to belive in evidence.

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not guilty until proven guilty without a reasonable doubt



not directly stated in the constitution, but implied by the 5th, 6th and 14th amendment. also considered to be common law.
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You have to. If the "victim" presses charges then you either find guilty or not guilty.
Even if the victim wants to press charges if there isn't enough evidence, in most cases it won't go to court. If doesn't remove or apply guilt, it simply means there isn't enough to proceed with a conviction.
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Look at the Duke thing. They put those kids through hell for at least a year right? No physical evidence.
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This is easy. Believe the one telling the truth. That's the one that is not lying.
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@wherespapa: And how are you supposed to know that...
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