turn the other cheeks.

A preogative is a right or privilege, and they do have the right to feel anyway that they choose, but they do not have the right to formalize that into an action that stigmatizes God, as well as all Christians, Jews, and to some degree Muslims. No one on this Earth owns anything, only God does. We are merely the stewards of whatever he places in our hands. If the faith of Christians is not something to be defended, then whose beliefs are? While my objections are based on my faith, others should also object simply based on the principle of defending their own free speech.

No one has the right to tell someone else what they can say, unless what they have to say is of a dangerous nature, like yelling fire in a crowded theater, or inciting to riot. Obviously, Newegg has the power to do as they choose, but power does not equal right, or for that matter legal. While Newegg has the power to abuse their customers, their customers have the power not to do business with them. Of course, if anyone feels that saving a couple of dollars is worth giving up their own rights, then ignore this and keep doing business as usual.

It's their website. They set the rules and have the final call on who uses their site and facilities. That's just how the internet works. Theres a couple zillion other places you can go to purchase such things. If thats the bed they want to make, hum a few bars from a lullaby and take your money elsewhere.

Why is it necessary to spell things out to you, this thread is not about me, nor have I asked anyone for any advice. It should be quite clear to anyone as to whether I will deal with them again, and that I know what my options are, therefore your advice is quite unnecessary.

I like the quote. It's a nice quote. I really don't see how *anyone* could see it as offensive. The only reason it was even noticed is the "James 1:19" on the end. I can't see it as being the thing that would have gotten you banned. Arguing and/or not following instructions though, that could do it, and real fast to boot.

What you are not spelling out is, why this is even an issue. They expressed an opinion, based either on their beliefs or lack thereof. They are allowed to do that, on any subject they desire or see fit.

If you read it, I made it clear at the beginning of this thread, that I had no interest in debating this. However, since you seem unable to grasp what I have said, for your benefit I shall attempt to explain. This has NOTHING to do with what they thought or said, except in terms of how it related to their actions. You may feel that a forum is totally free to do anything that they choose, but that is only true if everybody lets them. If you see no issue, then that is fine for you, I do not believe that most people will agree though.

Actually, you're the one doing the debating. You made it very clear in your first post that you would be interested in knowing what other people thought. And what I have posted were my thoughts, forget it and go elsewhere. It's very obvious that all that has happened is, you were trying to peddle your wares in a place that found them unwelcome, and you got the boot. As for your uprising against Newegg, it would seem that, on this forum at least, people only find you funny and mildly annoying.

The only "debating" that I have done is in responding to posts such as your's. If you wish to term that debating, then so be it, because I'm not going to argue with you. As far as my going somewhere else, unless you are a forum admin, I shall stay where I please, and since this is my thread, if you find it distasteful, then you can find another, and you don't even have to go elsewhere to do so.

EDIT: As for your last comment, apparently you feel that you are a spokesman for the entire forum.

Seeker, you stopped by to let us know that an internet forum owned by a computer retailer will eventually ban anyone who bores the piss out of them with throwing some agenda around. I'm sure if all you could talk about was building 7 they'd ban you for that too.

You seem to me like you're spoiling for a fight. (I can identify with that.) You'd probably enjoy your time here, or at least we'd enjoy your participatoin more, if you find some other topics to post about.

Rasczak, I don't think it's christens that people dislike. I haven't seen all of these attacks you mentioned, but I doubt that you're incorrect. For me the past few years has put a bad taste in my mouth for religion, and I'm a Christian. To many rotten people have taken Christianity and used it as a weapon to attack people they disagree with. I remember in 04 churches denying politicians communion for not agreeing with them on issues or on how to solve certain issues. It just got ugly...

I think Christianity, no the very vocal religious right got lost on one big power tip and you now have people who are very distrusting of anything they have to say. I hope things change but.... Christianity has become yet another tool of partisan politics.

When you sign up and use any forum you agree to follow and respect the rules and decisions of the Admins. If you refuse to follow those conditions of membership then often you pay the price.

Many forums are autocratic by nature as are many aspects of our lives. I guess you are within your rights to air your grievances but don't expect others to agree with them.

om shanti
narayan


Edit: Oh I should have read the entire thread as you don't want advice about your situation. As regard to your question I can't see much offence in our quote other than to say an option would have been to use it without the biblical reference. Some may consider that plagiarism but it would have been an easy solution to the problem.

I dont think it was that they were saying the quote was offensive, but rather just that it was christian, and they were offended because they didn't want christianity pushed on them.

It's still obviouslly silly to ask for it to be removed, but that was what their argument was, im guessing.

No offense, but with that attitude, I could see why people would reject you. Don't get my wrong, I have had my share of being rejected (my start here was not so well received), but I think there ARE things you could say that would change that, that is if you believed that it was really true that you were being injustices. Unfortunately, I would have to say that you know you brought this on your self, and your intense desire to believe in your god, clashing with your obvious draw toward logic is driving you to find some voice of support, some sort of validation to strengthen what you believe, and to continue arguing a false ideal to make some sort of peace with in your head. If you really wanted to 'not debate' and just start trying to find real truth, you would have to entertain all possibilities and ideas... and many of which include your bible not being the ultimate truth. Yes, this is a scary leap to take, that will challenge every notion of every thing that is important to you, but if you would ever to really be strong in your beliefs, christian or otherwise, you would first have to look at the possibility that it could be just... well... made up.

Have you done this? Are your beliefs based on great lengths of reasoning and logical ideas? Or is it all just based on what you have been told and brought up to believe?

I have made more then one assumption here, and perhaps I am the ass hat now, but as a fool who once believed in some thing whole hearted because it was simply too scary to admit the things important to me were meaningless, I can relate. I almost just feel bad for you...

Ah.. alas tho, please don't take me as harsh... I hold no bias against any one for their beliefs. It just irks me that you use such rash logic.

I do, however, applaude your ongoing efforts to discuss and seek out truths and promote your beliefs. Open your mind some and continue this pattern and you will find what you seek.

erthian,

If you were a psycologist, you would serve as an excellent example of why I have no use for that profession. If you actually cared about the validity of your advice, you would first have to make sure that you understood your "patient". But then, with that patient being under the influence of heavy doses of the "doctor's" drugs, the truth would be far from reality.

Interesting thread, but, let's slow this conversation down a bit please, before someone says something they'll regret later.

Good debatable points are being made by all sides. I'm enjoying the read...

It does bring up an interesting point, one I'd not given very much thought. If a website, as in the owner or administrator, makes a very direct affront to an entire class of people, what actions can be taken. There is the boycott angle, but that rarely works in the real world, and is probably even less effective online.

to the OP

First off, Seeking vengeful tactic never works, and it makes you look bad. I understand the qualm of your reasoning, but by your reasoning therein I should also have the right to put something like

Mark 10ish I think, I cant be sure.

Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.

But that statement alone offends any variety of individuals. I think less this is an idea of hatred towards you, more than its just a policy to avoid future conflicts in ernest.

It would be no more different than I to post in my own signature

The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction. Jealous and proud of it, a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak, a vindictive bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

I firmly and quite honestly believe the above statement, yet in its reading any person who doesnt aggree with this, or is offended by it, would cite me to remove it immediately, even yourself seekmeister, im quite sure.

Biblical verse on any forum tends to be a grey area because of the number of individuals it might offend.

Youve got Chutzpah Seekmeister, Ill give you that, but threat of action because of a forums policy. I wouldnt bother.

What people don't like - the point I've been trying to make - is someone running a web site about computer parts doesn't want someone coming on and spreading some other agenda. Its disruptive.

As for the attacks - just read the religion threads. People love to say things that would be offensive to Christians, or at best insensitive. However, that's where those kind of debates belong - on the religion threads - not a computer parts site.

If the forum was nothing more than a spam board for Newegg, which is exactly how it began, I might possibly agree with you. But, we established a board within General Discussions, for debates, that was totally invisible to anyone, unless they specifically requested to have access. Therefore, even if I had been posting there with my "agenda"...which I had not, it would not have been a basis for their actions. I don't know how many ways that I can say this...it had nothing to do with me, or my conduct on their forum. It was nothing more than I described.