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Old 07-05-2007   #21 (permalink)
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I would suppose, by the strictest definition of the words, that I'd be Atheist. I have never seen anything at all supernatural, and I've been on ghost hunts and the like, including the Waverly Hills Sanitarium in Louisville, supposedly one of the most haunted places there is...nothing.

If an all powerful being showed up this afternoon, I'd think "aliens" long before I gave any thought to it being a god.
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Old 07-05-2007   #22 (permalink)
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The Goddess Bast would be a good one. A beautiful woman with the head of a cat is pretty hot
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im pretty much your bog standard atheist, I treat god with the same probability of existance as an invisible french trout called pierre that created the universe.
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Old 07-05-2007   #24 (permalink)
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Atheist. The arguments made so far explain it very well. I would add that it's an ethical choice as well.

Because it is infinite, a god would have to be supra-rational by definition. Therefore, it is unintelligible. It makes no ethical sense to posit any effort, or coordinate any plans with such a thing. We would be mutually irrelevant.

But of course, it doesn't exist anyways.
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Old 07-09-2007   #25 (permalink)
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I'm an atheist. I have yet to see any evidence at all for the existence of a god (or anything "supernatural" for that matter) and feel there is credible evidence against it.

My father, on the other hand, is an agnostic. We often have discussions about whether it's possible to know whether or not there is a god, generally ending with him telling me I think too much like a scientist (which seeing as I'm doing my degree in physics is probably a good thing.)
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...if one wants to sit on the fence, fine, just sit on the fence, I don't like the agnostic mantra of, "I don't know for sure and neither do you".
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same goes for religious, atheistic or nihilistic believes, as long as no one tries to make his truth the only truth I'm fine.
Very well said, both of you. I'm firmly in the atheistic camp, no agnosticism here. However, I am perfectly happy for others to hold alternative beliefs, so long as they are not forced upon others, and they don't interfere with others' lives.

My best friend goes to church and studies the bible, she is a devout Christian, but never once has she pushed anything onto me or tried to say I'm wrong. That way, I can share her customs from time to time, simply because it makes her happy and reinforces our friendship. She accepts that we have different beliefs, barring the occasional bit of stirring, which is harmless fun. Wouldn't it be nice if all religion could be that way?
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On the note of religion I have to admit I am a discordianist, worshiping Eris, the godess of chaos. And as to agnostic or atheist I'll have to go with the atheist. An atheistic discorianist.

As to forcing ones beliefs on other, I make it a sport as soon as a Jehovas comes knocking on my door. If they wanna force their beliefs on my then they can't argue with me forcing my belief on them... I have actually suceeded in converting a Jehovah. Poor girl, didn't know what she got into when she knocked on my door. Can also be noted that my faith at that moment was atheism.

But that's just my opinion, I may be wrong.

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It's been a long time since I ran across a worshiper of Eris, I was wondering if something had happened. A lot of my friends used to be discordants, and we argued all the time (I worship Harmonia), it was great! When I moved I couldn't find any!
Well, it seems that foreboding has fallen over the calm world that I call home. ZS forums and I are now best buds. (I think that zombies have less cred than nukes as a doomsday, but slightly more than aliens...)
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Heh, you should of seen them on Wikipedia when 2003 UB313 got renamed to Eris. So much vandalism 0_0
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Old 07-23-2007   #30 (permalink)
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On the other hand, the strongest Atheists I know are those who were forced to go to church when they were younger, and are now firmly convinced that there is no God.
I'm an atheist, and I was never religious. My parents simply let me decide for myself; they never mentioned any "god" until I asked them about it. I asked if there is such a thing as a "god", and my father simply said "Some people believe there is, and some don't.".

Though for many years, I never called myself an atheist, simply because I didn't want to come off sounding like someone who wouldn't believe in a god if one suddenly showed itself. I guess I was a casualty of some religious propaganda in that way.
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Old 07-23-2007   #31 (permalink)
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It is incomplete to consider agnosticism as 'I don't know if there's a God'. Many agnostics more specifically believe that the existence of God is unknowable by nature.

"Agnostics claim either that it is not possible to have absolute or certain knowledge of God or gods; or, alternatively, that while individual certainty may be possible, they personally have no knowledge"
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I believe in "God" but I don't view God in the religious sense. Mine is more of an Eastern understanding of God as the intelligence and being that pervades everything - we are all a part of it. It is sublime. Humans can develop a personal relationship with it. The more aware you become of the super-being, the more you experience it. That is why hope and belief play a large role.

In my view, most people are too closed-minded to suspend their disbelief. As such, they experience what they believe - nothing more, nothing less. Usually this is what their culture has taught them to believe at a young age. You will always experience the reflection of your true beliefs. God will appear as what you believe God to be.

That's why no one can agree on it.

God, the super-being, is. All people have this knowledge within them, as well as a desire to grow in their awareness of it (which is ultimately an awareness of their larger self and life). Eventually this asserts itself. It is inevitable. Just a matter of what path you take to it, in this lifetime or another.
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Old 07-23-2007   #32 (permalink)
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Personally I think life is nasty, brutal and short, and then you die.What help believing in fairy stories is I have never figured out.
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"Personally I think life is nasty, brutal and short"
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"What help believing in fairy stories is I have never figured out."

Perhaps these views are related?

Fairy stories like religions all explore ideas - meanings. Depending on the meanings you give events in your life, and your life itself, you can have wildly different experiences.

Consider that your beliefs may be creating your experiences. Right now, you think your experiences are creating your beliefs. In fact, both may be the case.
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Consider that your beliefs may be creating your experiences. Right now, you think your experiences are creating your beliefs. In fact, both may be the case.

I don't have any beliefs.
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Old 07-24-2007   #35 (permalink)
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Until someone proves to me the existence of a God or Gods, they don't exist. I'm not unsure about it, I'm sure that it hasn't been proven to me yet, so there is none. Atheist.
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I prefer the term irreligious, myself.
For just an instant, have a glimpse, a vision, of life through my eyes. It is a staggeringly joyous perspective, a view of how each person's choices can make their own life better. It is a vision of the possible, of how things can and should be.
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I don't have any beliefs.
Yes you do. You're just not aware of them.

For example, you believe the earth is round. You believe water is wet. You believe 2+2=4. You believe "life is nasty, brutal and short".

All of these beliefs and many others create your experience of the quantum soup called "reality". People with different beliefs have very different experiences than you.
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Yes you do. You're just not aware of them.

For example, you believe the earth is round. You believe water is wet. You believe 2+2=4. You believe "life is nasty, brutal and short".

All of these beliefs and many others create your experience of the quantum soup called "reality". People with different beliefs have very different experiences than you.
You're getting all existential. It's ok, I have a super soaker.

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Yes you do. You're just not aware of them.

For example, you believe the earth is round. You believe water is wet. You believe 2+2=4. You believe "life is nasty, brutal and short".
This earth is not round it is an oblate spheroid. (That is a fact not a belief.)
I know water is wet, it is not a belief.
Life is nasty, brutal and short. I am just more realistic about it than most.
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You're getting all existential. It's ok, I have a super soaker.

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