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Old 06-29-2007   #1 (permalink)
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If Adam and Eve were the first people on earth, and they had two boys Cain and Abel. For one wouldn't the rest of society be a mainfestation of incest and how did Cain and Abel marry if Adam and Eve were the first people on Earth?
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Noah probably had a fairly close family as well
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Its a possibility.
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according to the bible Cain went to Nod and married there.

who these Noddies (dunno how to call them) are or where they came from is one of the greatest mysteries of the bible.
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genesis 5:4( a chapter recap of the life of adam) - And the days of Adam after his fathering Seth came to be eight hundred years. Meanwhile he became father to sons and daughters.

genesis 4: 17- (vrs 16 is when he went to nod) Afterward Cain had intercourse with his wife.

Cain was already married to a daughter of adam and eve, she went with him to NOD.

The hebrew NOD simply means land of fugitives.

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Cain was already married to a daughter of adam and eve, she went with him to NOD.
So Adam and Eve are literally supposed to be responsible for spawning all of humanity through incest?
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Circumstances were different in earlier times. Adam and Eve were created perfect, and the instruction for them ‘to multiply and fill the earth’ would necessarily require that their offspring marry one another and reproduce. (Gen. 1:28) But as perfect humans, their children would have been perfect as were their parents. Adam lived several hundred years remember...

Even though Adam and Eve sinned and became imperfect, Cain and his brothers and sisters were still so near to physical perfection that the children they produced did not suffer the same adverse effects as do children born of such unions today.They lived long too.Even some 2,000 years afterward, God’s faithful servant Abraham married his half-sister Sarah, and God did not disapprove. (Gen. 20:12) It was yet another 450 years or so before God saw fit to provide his nation of Israel a body of laws that forbade incest on penalty of death. (Lev. 18:8-17) By that time imperfection had apparently developed to such an extent that no longer was it safe for close relatives to marry. It is interesting to note that in the bible the average live span of humans started high and steadily declined to a point where man lives 70, 80, or more years with special mightiness.
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Circumstances were different in earlier times. Adam and Eve were created perfect, and the instruction for them ‘to multiply and fill the earth’ would necessarily require that their offspring marry one another and reproduce. (Gen. 1:28) But as perfect humans, their children would have been perfect as were their parents. Adam lived several hundred years remember...

Even though Adam and Eve sinned and became imperfect, Cain and his brothers and sisters were still so near to physical perfection that the children they produced did not suffer the same adverse effects as do children born of such unions today.They lived long too.Even some 2,000 years afterward, God’s faithful servant Abraham married his half-sister Sarah, and God did not disapprove. (Gen. 20:12) It was yet another 450 years or so before God saw fit to provide his nation of Israel a body of laws that forbade incest on penalty of death. (Lev. 18:8-17) By that time imperfection had apparently developed to such an extent that no longer was it safe for close relatives to marry. It is interesting to note that in the bible the average live span of humans started high and steadily declined to a point where man lives 70, 80, or more years with special mightiness.
So basically we are a manifestation of incest according to the bible.
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Even though Adam and Eve sinned and became imperfect, Cain and his brothers and sisters were still so near to physical perfection that the children they produced did not suffer the same adverse effects as do children born of such unions today.
The reason that there's a biological problem with incest is that it is more likely for two people who are related to both be carrying a damaging recessive trait. However, in your other thread, you say that you do not believe in evolution. If there is no such thing as genetic mutations (which is all that evolution is, really), then how can people now be so diverse if we all have the same genetic background? Wouldn't Adam and Eve risk passing on recessive traits just as much as anyone else if our genetic material is the same?
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The reason that there's a biological problem with incest is that it is more likely for two people who are related to both be carrying a damaging recessive trait. However, in your other thread, you say that you do not believe in evolution. If there is no such thing as genetic mutations (which is all that evolution is, really), then how can people now be so diverse if we all have the same genetic background? Wouldn't Adam and Eve risk passing on recessive traits just as much as anyone else if our genetic material is the same?
Remember he stated that they were perfect so they wouldn't.
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incest? yep.Many scientists acknowledge that the human race has a common ancestor, and that we all have similar characteristics.

one interesting article. there are alot more im just not in the mood to type.
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Remember he stated that they were perfect so they wouldn't.
But if he doesn't believe in evolution, shouldn't we be perfect too?
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But if he doesn't believe in evolution, shouldn't we be perfect too?
Sure we should be but we are not perfect in any way.
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The reason that there's a biological problem with incest is that it is more likely for two people who are related to both be carrying a damaging recessive trait. However, in your other thread, you say that you do not believe in evolution. If there is no such thing as genetic mutations (which is all that evolution is, really), then how can people now be so diverse if we all have the same genetic background? Wouldn't Adam and Eve risk passing on recessive traits just as much as anyone else if our genetic material is the same?
ahh, i do not believe that evolution is where humans came from, that we evolved from monkeys etc. But i do believe that adaptation and genetic mutations do happen, but they do not create new species. I will reply further to mankinds diversity, but first, i need breakfast.
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notice i said IMPERFECT back a few posts? Degeneration. As something gets further and further from an initial perfect state, it gets worse. I could go with the copy of a copy example, or how microsoft gets crappier with each generation..but man, i need breakfast!!! i will reply later..

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ahh, i do not believe that evolution is where humans came from, that we evolved from monkeys etc. But i do believe that adaptation and genetic mutations do happen, but they do not create new species. I will reply further to mankinds diversity, but first, i need breakfast.
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human did not evolve from monkeys in the evolution theory anyway we're only supposed to have the same ancestors.


Well, I do still believe the teachings of an ancient forgotten order. We've all been created by gigantic mushrooms.
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Well, I do still believe the teachings of an ancient forgotten order. We've all been created by gigantic mushrooms.
Where they magic mushrooms?
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I thought Mario and Luigi were the first people, and they had miraculous gay birth, after they killed Bowser. By the way, Peach had children too, but they could not jump very high, and died.
Or am i wrong on this?
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You are looking at a biblical story way too literally.

I would say that this story, like most of the Bible (or at least Genesis) is a a collection of metaphorical stories and legends that do not correspond with real events but have imagery and symbolism that have value for mankind. Adam and Eve, the naked, perfect and innocent man and woman from that are our ancestors, are a beautiful and emotionally charged story... I'd leave it at that.

However, if you want to believe that the story has some historical basis, you must think about it through the lens of evolution, and interpret it as follows: Adam and Eve represent the species that has not yet reached self awareness. They are happy in their lack of knowledge, and the world is perfect (or at least, in balance). After 'eating from the tree of knowledge' the humans become aware of their nudity, leave the garden of Eden (in reality, our ancestors have left the jungles of the Congo for the harsh savanna). Of course, when the story is seen like this, the incest problem is gone; we are talking about the evolution of an entire species, not just two people. They could breed with other apes, as well as other early humans.
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