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Dawkins explicitly attacks the notion of a personal God, one who is on-hand to help and will give you hand if you really need it, because just such a God is absolutely testable. If he intervened and miraculously helped out people as often as people are inclined to think, it would be extremely noticeable. We'd be able to tell. Prayed-for patients would do better. Devout soccer teams would score more often. We see no such effect; therefore, Dawkins concludes, there is no God that interferes with human affairs. Because we can't test a God who refuses to be testable, Dawkins doesn't attempt to touch it. In fact, early in his book, he outright says that he's attacking the notion of a personal God, not a divine watchmaker kind of God. | |
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| Discussion starter Join Date: Aug 2007
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How many of us would like to think or give control to any being if it could be done? Probably 2% of all people would accept. We want our free will. God is also not supposed to bend our free will to accept God, we do so on our own of our own choosing. If there were such proof outright of a divine entity, that would most likely defeat all purpose and turn people into so much sheep, praying for miracles in every way, not wanting to accomplish anything on their own. People are already not much better than sheep, kissing ass of those who are in power or rich or simply have some higher standing, such is the way of society, believing themselves better for being closer to those in power or such. We all end up in the ground either way no matter what we were or have so this is quite a false sense of living and a downfall. Religion puts a wedge in this in many ways, giving some a sense of self worth and not being above or below anyone else. If used otherwise, which sometimes it is, that's not a good thing but with anything in life, there are those who abuse ANYTHING, tangible or not. Just as people say religion causes war. Religion doesn't create wars, people do, more money goes to weapons than cancer and disease research by FAR. Did God will this? No. It's our doing, our own choice. When you have starving children in a country and yet we have people who own multiple houses\mansions and could do much good with their money, instead most choose to just live it up. This is once again, our choice, not God's. If someone has kids, you tell them to clean their room, say they don't listen. Should a parent simply clean their room for them? NO. Why not? Because they wouldn't learn their lesson on self worth and doing something to help better themselves. Responsibility. Why would God be any different? If God truly cares, then our mistakes will be our own until we become a better people, on our own else how would we learn? Once again, proof would bring weakness, not strength. While my beliefs may differ from many and I'm not claiming to be a holy man by any means, there is some rationale to this but it's rarely seen. Even if God came down and gave us the big picture, we most likely wouldn't understand it anyway. If people die, then simply, it's meant to be. If anything in life happens, it's meant to be and there is no changing that. We all die and many deaths bring new light to others as well as scientifically make room for new life. Sure it can be the worst nightmare for many of us if we lose a loved one and I have as I'm sure many others have and even if someone doesn't believe in God, what does it hurt to hope they are in a better place? If there is a bigger picture to all this, we couldn't grasp it anyway let alone to say there simply isn't. So in closing, if so many prayers are for soccer scores, automobiles, riches, whatever, is it a wonder they aren't answered? We would cry for freedom then cry if not handed miracles on a plate. Last edited by Openmouthinsertfoot : 08-25-2007 at 08:39 PM. | |
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| Super Moderator | So, you're arguing for a God that won't show his presence at all? See this quote: Quote:
Also, my experience shows that most people don't have such a non-interventionist view of God. They generally attribute meaningful intervention to otherwise unlikely events. | |
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| Discussion starter Join Date: Aug 2007
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Once again, intervention or not, this is supposed to be free will, I don't expect some gold bars to fall through my roof, I work for it, I strive for what I need and get help where it's needed most. Last edited by Openmouthinsertfoot : 08-25-2007 at 09:32 PM. | |
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| Just getting started | I consider myself lucky to have been raised Southern Baptist in the mid 20th century. The Fundamentalist Southern Baptist Convention is so apallingly ridiculous that I had no problem whatsoever realizing that I was an Atheist before I was out of my teens. |
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| Commentator Join Date: May 2007
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There's no point slagging off Dawkins because you don't like him. If you have something to counter what he wrote, that might have some effect. If not, well, his arguments still stand. God is a delusion. | |||
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