Do you believe that life is unique to earth? If so, it does seem silly that this God-creature should bother with "an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the galaxy", without touching other planets with his magic wand.

Are you saying that you have had personal experience that undeniably proves to you the existence of God? I think that's about the only thing that would convince me of the existence of a God.

For the record, I could use a "trip to the desert" too

I have tried to explain what is silly about it, have you noticed the vastness of the universe relative to the surface of the planet? It would seem silly that 'god' was somehow interested in upright critters on that planet..
It is a universal experience that there is no miraculous event beyond normal physics that everyone agrees on.
No, but if you paid more attention to the blue-dotted red rabbit on top of your monitor, he might lay magic golden eggs for you. (ye, i stepped up the sarcasm)

Hehe, Dolphins got the one up on us there

Ive skimmed through this thread, and would love to reply to them all, but dont have the time, if only I was in a similar timezone


EDIT: Though its 6AM now, so ive got at least 15hrs of posting time ahead

Sure there are, point?
you want a bang?
there are many, many, more that reveal an awesome noise, and a trembling or shaking to his voice and word/s.
So when God said....'Let there be'... -bang!

not necessarily. Define life. Still, no, I don't find that strange at all. God wants to share all with those that are like him. So he gives us a choice and if we choose him, in the end, we are fashioned to not have a propensity to sin as we do being born separated from him. It's far better than creating a host of angels and having 1/3 of them rebel. Scripture says He did not create the earth in vain but to be inhabited. Lucifer and his angels failed. He is securing a people that will not fail.



yes, many times over




who said everyone has to agree?



I was not at all being sarcastic. You can shrug it off, but you said what you said.

It is a god-awful stretch of an imagination to equate those quotes with the big bang. Then again it is not at all clear what you mean by those quotes anyway.
Did not mean to imply that you were being sarcastic.(although i wish you were..) I was saying i was being sarcastic.
The question is why Christians feel they can claim their knowledge is somehow absolute. Theory is only accepted theory because experiments prove it. Also this is wordplay too.
I would like to add that your personal experiences prove nothing to me.
What did i say that i am supposedly shrugging off?
Edit: oops quoted something twice :s

Well except for one thing. Even if the Big Bang were an explosion (it wasn't an explosion in the sense of a bomb, a common error from the people that denies it) it didn't make any noise at all.
Noise needs air to propagate. If a rocket explodes in its way to the Moon, a person in a few meters from it will not hear anything, because there is no air out of the atmosphere. So there is no sense in applying the "Word of God" to the Big Bang because it was not a word at all .Maybe you can apply it to "God's Light" because there was a lot of light from the begining, given that light travels in vacuum. But once again, you can apply ambiguous words to almost anything you want.

Actually as far as i understand it, there was no light for the first 300000 years.


either coz atoms could not form to emit any, or coz any photons that were around were stuck in the particle soup and couldnt go anywhere. I cant remember, was years ago when i last did anything to do with it

Thanks, I'm not physicist. So, then you can't even compare the Big Bang to "God's Light" so maybe the Big Bang is really really incompatible with the Bible, at least someone finds a way to assimilate the sub-atomic particles to some strange words in some passage.

Photons existed all the time of known theory, at the beginning the universe simply was not transparent for light. To high chances of photons reacting with other things. Also before some time photons behaved non-linearly. Like photons creating antipairs for photons with wavefunctions with short wavelengths.

I was a bit suspicious, because evolution does consistent produce bad designs, and here it is. Yup, still mixed up the respiratory airways with food intake. Maybe there is a advantage in being able to swallow water that way or something.

Metaphor are you a born again christian?

nope....i already answerd what religion I was in a previous post, then i mentioned that religious orentation is irrelevant in this debate.

If religious orientation is irrelevant than why is that only christians believe in creationism, not Buddhists, Hindu's, Muslims, etc...

what i meant was this is a debate about how life came into existence. My religion should have no bearing on a factual discussion. Earlier in the long post when i mentioned the bible, I was stating facts, this is not a debate between religions. (lets not get into another definition war)

by fact , i am referring to those biblical statements which pointed to scientific principles well ahead of is time. If something is not completely fact, i normally dont use the IT IS, or TRUTH words,,

Nobody knows if the Bible is true or not, there are so many fallacies in the bible its not even funny.

if you want to start a bible fallacies thread go for it. From my own experience most of the confusion that exists comes from people misunderstanding the origional greek and hebrew languages.

Bullshit
So you do, in fact relate your belief in creationism with the bible. (Note the potential for true Scotishman definition of science.) Although there is some seperation, you refer to the bible throughout the discussion. I do not think claiming there is no relation is reasonable.

I dont see what difference it makes. So what If I base my beliefs on the bible? lots of people from many religions do. No matter what religion you are, the bible exists. Im not trying to use the bible as a religious textbook in this case, but a scientific one. There may be a relation, but im trying to keep this forum on the topic of how life came into existance, and there is a biblical theory so it should be referenced.

You said:
And now you say you want to use the bible as a "scientific" book? Because of your religion you consider the bible true.