Wanna know whats really scary, bacteria can swap parts of their genome with each other (if they are a similar species). Thats why we are scared of H5N1, if it swaps the right part with a normal human airborne flu, we are boned, i just hope the fact ive never had teh flu so far in my life means anything!

Thats not how a mutation works, a mutation would only flip a one or a few bits, and the disc would likely still work just as it did before (though a letter in a text file may be different, or a pixel in a video, etc.)
Finally as ive mentioned several times DNA is not computing code. You dont flip a base pair and get a divide by zero error, DNA will still work, it also doesnt have a Table of Contents or file headers like the data on a disk would (which is the only reason why a disk would fail (you flipped a bit in one of these areas making the other data inaccessable).



No, Science has modeled what an atom looks like, the way an atom is structured has influence on its physical properties, by determining via experiment how an atom reacts, we can model what it would look like

No, we have perfect (or close to) science, given the evidence.


Eh? you have no idea what your on about, this has no effect on teh argument for DNA at all. Besides, what are you trying to prove? DNA doesnt exist? If you are even your creationist friends will switch sides and laugh at you.

For the record Photoshop 3.0 ran on Windows 3.1

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Because they dont fit the evidence. Its like saying the Empire State Building was created by God, when theres probably pictures of contruction workers builing it.


Thats because, given the current evidence, it is.

Lol, never thought id hear a creationist say that!

Perhaps not 100%, but its only going to get more correct.


Given the evidence of both sides... mine forever (though getting more and more accurate over time). You can find new evidence, but you cant un-find old evidence. The evidence already clearly shows that Creationism/ID is wrong, its not going to get un-wrong.

Lets look at crocidiles for a sec
or sturgeon

they have been aroud for MILLIONS of years

why hasn't a mutation hit them
you may say that they are perfectly suited for their environment


SO MY POINT IS

WHY DOES A MUTATION ONLY HAPPEN WHEN IT NEEDS ONE

doesn't it seem convinient that muations only miraculously arise when it is needed

sounds like a plan/design


DO we only evolve after the sun has a solar flare/ high levels of radiation

quote:Thats not how a mutation works, a mutation would only flip a one or a few bits, and the disc would likely still work just as it did before (though a letter in a text file may be different, or a pixel in a video, etc.)

What is more likely
that a new DNA will better fit its environmet
or
it would ruin something complex

They are perfectly adapted, youve answered your own question. Why would nature select a mutation on an animal which does not need to change to survive. The mutations still occur, except, they arent needed, so they get binned.


No, mutations are caused by problems copying DNA, they can happen at any time. Though its not unfeasible to suggest that such events can have an added effect. Whether they do in reality, I personally dont know, if they do its probably minimal. Radiation exposure (we are talking gamma rays here) can make people infertile and cause cancer, so theres definately an effect there.

It would ruin something complex, noone is arguing here, as i said earlier something like 90% of pregnancies are self aborted in the first few days due to these kind of bad errors. Occasionally something favourable is found and selected by nature to be passed on.

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But all of you state evolution as a fact

Thats because, given the current evidence, it is.


That is not a FACT

A fact is womething known to be true
Is evolutions a Truth
No

ALthough Extremely far fetched
evolution could be explained by "aliens" sending creatures to earth one at a time

albeit there is no evidence
but that would explain the fossil record
as we apparently cant see macro evolution in our small lifespan

But there are other ways of explaining the diversity of life
and if you don't agree

PLEASE lock your "assumptions" until the end of time"

Quote:They are perfectly adapted, youve answered your own question. Why would nature select a mutation on an animal which does not need to change to survive. The mutations still occur, except, they arent needed, so they get binned.

SO are there some crocs that can see color for one generation then it dies out

does one have a extra ear, then die out

Based on your assmuptions everything is always evolving yet natural selection weeds out these changes as they don't help the crocs/any crature that is suited for its environmet

Do you see infared
Do you hear what a dog can
can you smell as good as a dog

Were do we see this huge effects on evolution that simply die out after one generation

How has mutation affected you differnt than I

Yes it is.

Evolution most certainly is true, the evidence shows that. The Theory of Evolution explains how it happened.

Exactly, there is no evidence, hell theres evidence against it, Common descent, intermediate forms, hell probably most areas of evidence would disagree with it somehow. Even non related stuff disagrees: No conclusive evidence for extraterrestrial visitation, none for interstellar travel, etc.

Lets ignore that for a second though, the evidence would still show that after aliens dropped them off, they began evolving.

And even ignoring that, the aliens would have had to evolve themselves.

So would a magical pixie waving her wand. Theres no evidence though, you cant just make up something that sounds good. It needs evidence

Of course, they have no evidence though. Why dont you beleive in Magical Pixies doing it all?

So, hypothetically lets say evolution is fact. I say God created the process of evolution.

Perhaps, assuming it was only a single mutation needed to activate it. If colour vision doesnt help, (which it probably wouldnt), then is there any selective force placed on colour seeing crocs? no.

Perhaps, if the mutation was easy enough to happen, but theres no real benefit, so itd die out.

exactly, and thats based on evidence, not assumptions

Do i need to, to survive? No
Do i need to, to survive? No
Do i need to, to survive? No

Mutation only has a small effect over single generation, its unlikely you will see anything.

What colour is your hair?
What colour is your skin?
What colour are your eyes?
How often do you get diseases?
How tall are you?
What race are you?
Do you have any congenital abnormalities?
How good is your vision?
How hairy are you?
How smart are you?
What proportions are your limbs to body size?
Are you Lactose Intolerant?
Does your family have a history of cancer or other disease?

And the list goes on and on and on. But even in that small range, Id dare say we'd have some vastly different answers.

He'll run out of things eventually

Its a possibilty, given the fact theres no conclusive evidence for god(s), Id personally disagree though.

No he won't, he keeps repeating himself...

Thats what bugs me about science people. If it isnt proven beyond doubt you wont accept it.

I do think evolution is truth but I also believe in my God.

ever seen a child born:
with pink hair
orange skin
black eyes
any of these

do you have features that you didn't enherit from your parents

If so

There would be now way of assuring that your DNA came from your parents

THIS would break down common decent as it would be impossible to "DIRECTLY, DIRECTLY" trace back life to one cell

My mind is full
youll have to try harder

That's fine but, that is not what is going on in this thread. read wiseman's posts and tell me he is not trolling..You can have your god, nobody want s to interfere with that. Although, I wonder if god wants you drinking so much...

Haha, well it helps me with my own knowledge on the subject anyway, and any other creationist that jumps in can read it i guess.
Thats cool, each to their own.


(When judgement day comes slip God a fiver to let me in! )

@nbound: Perhaps you should answer with outside links then, you would learn about it by reading rather then figuring it out yourself, and you feed the troll less.

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Do you see infared

Do i need to, to survive? No

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Originally Posted by TheWiseMan
Do you hear what a dog can

Do i need to, to survive? No

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Originally Posted by TheWiseMan
can you smell as good as a dog

Do i need to, to survive? No


never said u needed it


i was implying that as mutation is constant and random

Where do we see these new organs/features in humans
aren't they just variations of old

Hey, we can't help feeling like that, God made us that way