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Old 06-25-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Default Knowledge or Perception?

Based on concepts of either, Which exists first?

Following the concepts of Hume, Locke, and Ponty, we can clearly assume that perception comes quite a bit before Knowledge, as perception is the father of its child, Knowledge and understanding. Just as such knowledge is contained within the concepts of truth and belief.

Yet are we born into this world with inherent knowledge at birth?
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Yet are we born into this world with inherent knowledge at birth?
Would you differentiate between knowledge and instincts?
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Instinct by definition is a set of patterns in behavior determined by stimuli to a given situation. An examation of this would be to follow Piaget's theory of Stage 1 development called Sensorimotor. We react to our surrounding. What you percieve your surroundings to be and how you react to them would breed instinctual behavior.
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If we inherit knowledge from our parents (like instincts), it could go both ways, like a feedback loop.
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But I believe that instinct is still perceptual based on the reaction to stimulus, so is it really knowledge or just a coded genetic reaction to something you perceive is happening?
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Default Re: Knowledge or Perception?

perception comes first, but instinct are not knowledge imo, you dont have to have an undestanding of the concept of heat or the definition of a joule to pull your hand away from an oven hob. then you ay later wish to know the reason it damages your skin and causes a burning sensation.

so to sum up what i think, perception comes first, we arent born with inherent knowledge, and instincts arent knowledge.
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What do you mean by knowledge? Are you using the classical definition?
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yes, the classical definition -- the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject, on the basis of experience inherent or not.
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Oh, ok, I was thinking about knowledge as in the timeless, necessary and certain sort. I don't think "knowledge" grounded in perception can provide that.
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Oh, ok, I was thinking about knowledge as in the timeless, necessary and certain sort. I don't think "knowledge" grounded in perception can provide that.
You have to tell how are synthetic propositions possible a priori.Easy isnīt it?
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