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Old 06-19-2007   #21 (permalink)
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If I recall correctly Christians were the one's that destroyed the Mayan Civilization, imagine if those people were still around.
Can you justly call them christians?
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Can you justly call them christians?
Well, they called themselves christians. Just as you are calling yourself christian.
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Can you justly call them christians?
Let me look into that maybe they were from the catholic church.
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Can you justly call them christians?
Actually they were catholic, more so spanish clergymen. Is there a difference between Christians and Catholics?
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Actually they were catholic, more so spanish clergymen. Is there a difference between Christians and Catholics?
All Catholics are Christians. Not all Christians are Catholics.

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Actually they were catholic, more so spanish clergymen. Is there a difference between Christians and Catholics?
I believe that at the time that the first Europeans arrived on the North and South American continents, the Catholic Church was the only established Christian church.
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Just another politician
what was that supposed to prove? It validated what I said. Trying to say something? Can you say it?
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what was that supposed to prove? It validated what I said. Trying to say something? Can you say it?
"just another politician" implies that he was on both sides of the issue. Which is what those quotes show.
By comparison, Jefferson was completely anti-religion.
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All Catholics are Christians. Not all Christians are Catholics.
ummm...no!
not all of any denomination are Christians, and certainly not Catholics. Yes there are catholics that are christian, no doubt. I have known some, but most are catholics to be catholics not christians, as their lives clearly prove, and they do not have the slightest clue what the christian faith is. They only know what the catholic religion is. This could be said for several denominations so I am not picking on catholics.
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"no true christian" is the most depressingly common version of the "no true scotsman" fallacy.

Give me a break.
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"just another politician" implies that he was on both sides of the issue. Which is what those quotes show.
hahah...hogwash! well, they could as they are, out of context. I'd be embarrassed to try and pull that on intelligent beings. You could do the same with anyone. Lets see the complete context of all those quotes.
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Well, they called themselves christians. Just as you are calling yourself christian.
I don't recall calling myself a christian
I don't like the term, and avoid the label
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"no true christian" is the most depressingly common version of the "no true scotsman" fallacy.

Give me a break.
didn't say that either

can you people read?
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@Jasper: I'm pretty sure that's a joke.
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ummm...no!
not all of any denomination are Christians, and certainly not Catholics. Yes there are catholics that are christian, no doubt. I have known some, but most are catholics to be catholics not christians, as their lives clearly prove, and they do not have the slightest clue what the christian faith is. They only know what the catholic religion is. This could be said for several denominations so I am not picking on catholics.

Well, let's see

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The Roman Catholic Church or Catholic Church is the Christian church in full communion with the Bishop of Rome, currently Pope Benedict XVI. It traces its origins to the original Christian community founded by Jesus Christ and spread by the Twelve Apostles, in particular Saint Peter.

The Catholic Church is by far the largest Christian church and the largest organized body of any world religion.
But we'll forget about that, then. Ok, I'm game. How would you define it? (and by 'define' I mean define, not rant )


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hahah...hogwash! well, they could as they are, out of context. I'd be embarrassed to try and pull that on intelligent beings. You could do the same with anyone. Lets see the complete context of all those quotes.
Thank you for understanding the point I was trying to make: Anyone can quote anything out of context; it doesn't mean anything. But you were first out of the blocks on that one, no?

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didn't say that either

can you people read?
Yes, I can, thank you very much. Learnt it when I was about five, methinks. Can you think?
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@Jasper: I'm pretty sure that's a joke.
actually it's real quote from Einstein about his own work.

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Wouldn't Catholicism be a branch of Christianity much like Protestants, Methodists, etc... Please discuss without letting your emotions getting the best of you.
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Wouldn't Catholicism be a branch of Christianity much like Protestants, Methodists, etc...
Exactly right.
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Exactly right.
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