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Old 06-14-2007   #1 (permalink)
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"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace"- Imagine

..Recently listening to this song, I could not help but wonder what would a world be like with absolutly no religion....thoughts?
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Sounds like a good place to me. Where's it at?
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Pretty much nothing will change. People will find other reasons to kill each others, and other reasons to do good deeds and be moral.
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I for one find it amazing that one single person would be willing to give up everything for a full peaceful loving world, with no violence and true values, yet people are not willing.
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We would have to completely rewire the mind to have something like that happen, if if ever did happen I would go their.
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well, if something does not work, it should be rewired, and I dont think this works!

This being religion.
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well, if something does not work, it should be rewired, and I dont think this works!

This being religion.
And who gets to decide what "works" and what doesn't? The president? A referendum? You?
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And who gets to decide what "works" and what doesn't? The president? A referendum? You?
You do bring up a good point.
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what does not work is what is obvious. War, violence, oppression, racisim, its wrong and its prevelent. I do not decide what works, but i decide what works for me, and whats more I try my hardest to do what works for others.
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what does not work is what is obvious. War, violence, oppression, racisim, its wrong and its prevelent. I do not decide what works, but i decide what works for me, and whats more I try my hardest to do what works for others.
And where does rewiring the brain fit into this?
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rewiring the brain is a metaphor, heh, for changing what shapes who we are.
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rewiring the brain is a metaphor, heh, for changing what shapes who we are.
In this case you are not addressing seisen's point. You may be able to stop yourself from believing in God (though I'm fairly certain that you don't anyway), but in order to reach the state that you describe in your first post (no religion in the world), you would have to fundamentally change human nature.
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actually, i do believe in god. What I do not beleive is that he has anything to do with our problems. I beleive that humans are responsible for their own actions and are living with the consequences.
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actually, i do believe in god. What I do not beleive is that he has anything to do with our problems. I beleive that humans are responsible for their own actions and are living with the consequences.
I see your point, what I meant about rewiring the mind was to remove hate, jealousy, etc.. so what you have left over is love and compassion.
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Religious freedom is one of the most important freedoms. Being forced to have no religion is as bad as being forced to have a particular religion. In fact, not having a religion is becoming a religion of it's own.
For just an instant, have a glimpse, a vision, of life through my eyes. It is a staggeringly joyous perspective, a view of how each person's choices can make their own life better. It is a vision of the possible, of how things can and should be.
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yah i thought of that paradox to. If having no religion is what everyone believed, then eveyone would agree to that way of life and follow it, leaning towards the definition of a religion.
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Things Like religion and countries is our only problem.. Inequalities like distributing wealth would still be a problem. And who is to say that things like religion would not return?
Systems like countries are necessary to arrange things like freedom of speech, allocation of resources, maintaining technology. Systems like governments, capitalism, organisation to settle differences, etc.
If those suddenly disappeared, the way they reappear might not be peaceful.
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Well, while we're quoting song lyrics...
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Originally Posted by Queen
One flesh one bone,
One true religion,
One voice one hope,
One real decision,
Wowowowo gimme one vision

No wrong no right,
I'm gonna tell you there's no black and no white,
No blood no stain,
All we need is one world wide vision
It's just not going to happen. There's no way the world can possibly unite under one coherent viewpoint. Just look at the people in this forum - we can't agree on anything, and we're all (well, pretty much) part of the western world.
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something that Ive noticed though, is that the majority of people want the same thing, or are searching for the same things. To me that proves that something is possible.
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Anyone here seen The Gods Must Be Crazy (1980)? And of course Life Stinks (1991)

The rich and mighty really need a reality check.

Greed is one of the biggest problems in the world. People who don't have a lot, just want to do ok. But people who has a lot just want more.
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