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| under construction | @metaphor- might be true, that is why there is democracy and free speech. With that, people will accept more coercion from government, because they can discuss to change things, rather then resort to violence. Religion is a big one, and in my view often an irrational one. One more based on what people really want is based on the left-right discussion between individualism and community, but i might be wrong, there might be more. Also, people do not affect each other directly on all levels, which also helps keep the peace. @rocknrolf77 I agree, greed is a problem. |
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| ∀dministrator Join Date: May 2007
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I suggest you reconsider. How about this, from dictionary.com? 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. Or this one, from the American Heritage Dictionary? 1. a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship. WordNet: 1. a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; "he lost his faith but not his morality" 2. an institution to express belief in a divine power; "he was raised in the Baptist religion"; "a member of his own faith contradicted him" Indeed, the primary definition of religion in almost every dictionary I look involves a belief in the supernatural. | |
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“There can be but little liberty on earth while men worship a tyrant in heaven.”- Robert Green Ingersoll
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| I dislike the "word wars" that go on here, but you've finally made me crack open my dictionary. The roots of the word mean "to restrain/bind back" and "to bind together". I think the difference between the "supreme being" and "set of moral beliefs and codes" definition is rather thin. My version of Webster's Unabridged Dictionary cites "Christian religion", among others, as examples of the latter definition. The current version uses "religous" to define "religion"! Is that useless or what? I think the roots of the word are the most telling. "Bound together" as a group who share common beliefs (referencing the second definition), and who are bound by their beliefs (referencing the other root meaning "to restrain/bind back"). I think it's perfectly fine to say that your religion (second def.) is no religion (first def.) if that defines you. As such, forcing no religion is a religion in and of itself. "Cheeseheads" are not a religion. It just doesn't fit either definition of the word. c.dric: Faith is not the same as religion... |
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The point is that the capacity to feel religion, and the hunger for it, is not merely cultural but biological. Take away current religion and something else will come to fill the gaps, and that something could be far more dangerous than modern religion. I would suggest that instead of eliminating religion, we should work on reforming it to fit the modern world. PS: I consider your usage of the word fatality to be quite inappropriate. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the feelings of religiosity, and I would even go as far as saying that those kinds of feelings have been the most wonderful ones I have ever experienced. The fatality of human nature is extremism, but extremism is not always tied to religion: look at fascism (which is unrelated to religion) and communism (which is fundamentally antitheistic). Last edited by Ilya : 06-14-2007 at 10:56 PM. | |
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| religions are based on faith. that's why i can't let people dismiss atheism as yet another faith or religion. Last edited by c.dric : 06-14-2007 at 10:55 PM. |
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| human nature shouldn't be defined by today's norm. that's what i meant. |
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history is factual evidence! I do agree that it will be a wonderful place. 1000 year reign from a one world government ruled by Christ and his followers with a rod of iron!!! ![]() pfft...and you think it's rough now? Last edited by bvc : 06-16-2007 at 12:59 AM. | |
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| Interested participant | I find it humorous that people think that there is one thing that causes more problems than anything else. Humans have problems for so many reasons it is mind boggling. Religion seems to cause so many problems, but in reality human stupidity is at fault there. Peace is the measure of time that passes between two wars. War is going to happen no matter what people try to do to prevent it. This true too of all violence. People are violent. What of it? Greed is the driving force of our planet. It brought humans further than anything else. People in a capitolist society are constantly looking for a way to make money. This means that if there is a want/need someone will find a way to meet that need or want for a certain price. |
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| Be gentle, newcomer Join Date: Jun 2007
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| we cant ever stop having religion... its too comforting to people who use it, gives them a reason to do things... if it didnt exist beforehand then maybe this world would be unimaginably different... religion caused loads of killng, but it also helped in building and many other ways... maybe we would have found other reasons to create the stunning architecture... |
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| Just a little quote about "Imagine" by John: "the song 'Imagine' is virtually a communist manifesto, even though I am not particularly a communist and I do not belong to any movement. You see, Imagine was exactly the same message, but sugar-coated. Now, Imagine is a big hit almost everywhere -- anti-religious, anti-nationalistic, anti-conventional, anti-capitalistic song, but because it is sugar-coated it is accepted. Now I understand what you have to do. Put your political message across with a little honey." Please continue. ![]() Last edited by tempsanity : 06-27-2007 at 07:50 AM. Reason: refreshing my sig ;P |
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"Ever heard of Jesus, or Buddha, or Krishna, or Mohammed? they had some pretty good ideas, then their agents tried to make some money off of them and f---ed everything up. Never trust an agent" Maynard J. Keenan, Tool
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| I dont't think religion won't ever end. I just hope monotheistic ones will end soon. If you think ONE God exists, you can identify with it, therefore you can incidentally guess you're superior to something else. If, on the contrary, you believe in Gods (think of Roman and Greek ones, or other animistic religions) you can identify yourself with one of them. And no Gods is superior to any other god. They all have their own pros and cons. What do you think? |
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Cogito ergo co(g)ito. End of story.
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Furthermore, religions such as Hinduism and Taoism are also monotheistic at their root: they acknowledge a higher power to which all people and deities belong. This is probably the best (or at least safest) way to interpret monotheism, as it recognizes all humans as believers in the same higher power. In fact, the problem with religion today is that the Abrahamic monotheism is splitting into faiths that are almost polytheistic. You have American Christians who believe that their God is not the same as Allah or even the Jewish God, and I am sure that you have Muslims that believe the same thing. Any biblical scholar and non-radical priest would obviously see that such claims are absurd both historically and philosophically, but the masses believe in them nonetheless. Last edited by Ilya : 06-27-2007 at 02:06 PM. | |
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| the wicked one | ҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈ ҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈ ҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈ ҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈ ҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈ ҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈ ҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈ ҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈ ҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈҈ |
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