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Old 05-13-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Travolta heads Scientology campaign to block BBC expose

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John Travolta has launched a bitter attack on a veteran BBC reporter over a Panorama film that exposes the methods used by Scientology and questions whether it is a "brainwashing cult".
The story continues here.. Travolta heads Scientology campaign to block BBC expose | the Daily Mail

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What are your thoughts on Scientology?
My first thoughts - hahahahaha! What a joke!

Then my remaining thoughts are, they are the rich and powerful, they are infiltrating many of the important organisations in our countries (the police, judicial system etc...). Maybe I should stop laughing and start fearing?
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Aren't all religions brainwashing cults? Have you ever chatted to a group of Christians? The lights are on, but no one is home.
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Aren't all religions brainwashing cults? Have you ever chatted to a group of Christians? The lights are on, but no one is home.
Spot-on. The only real difference between Scientology and Christianity is the age of the cults.
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Aren't all religions brainwashing cults? Have you ever chatted to a group of Christians? The lights are on, but no one is home.
Ah, but that just depends on your definition of 'cult'. I think it goes:

1. Club
2. Cult
3. Religion

So, yeah religions are just very big cults... Regarding chrisitians, it depends what type you speak to. Some are completely closed to outside opinion but there are some who are open to some form of theological discussion and can back up their beliefs with more than just old books and tradition.
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I neverput much thought in to Scientology don't care enough about it. But I think John T. is being silly. Any other time he would hide under a "freedom of speech" clause if someone didn't like what he said. Same as the Dixie Chicks. It's all fun and games until they come under fire.
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Ah, but that just depends on your definition of 'cult'. I think it goes:

1. Club
2. Cult
3. Religion

So, yeah religions are just very big cults... Regarding chrisitians, it depends what type you speak to. Some are completely closed to outside opinion but there are some who are open to some form of theological discussion and can back up their beliefs with more than just old books and tradition.
My definition of cult is a group of people of whatever size, blindly following centuries old doctrines of a spurious being that doesn't exist.
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My definition of cult is a group of people of whatever size, blindly following centuries old doctrines of a spurious being that doesn't exist.
I feel almist the same way just drop the centuries old part. Basicly anyone not thinking for them selves.
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i find it bemusing that religious people attack scientology based on the fact that its ridiculous but refuse to cross examine their own religion from an outside prespective.
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It's just another religion, nowhere near as rich & powerful as some others out there.
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My question is why you guys are so easy to bash religions and say the are cults. Then aethists would be a cult because everybody doesn't believe in God or any other supreme being.
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My question is why you guys are so easy to bash religions and say the are cults. Then aethists would be a cult because everybody doesn't believe in God or any other supreme being.
Some atheist think it impossible that other people believe in god while having thought about it critically perhaps. (I dont know if that is true.)

But the real reason i wanted to type here, is that i hate the existence of this thread. It mislabels scientology as religion/philosophy, while it should be in US politics or perhaps general.
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It's just another religion, nowhere near as rich & powerful as some others out there.
Contrary to most of the others out there it seems to be a rising power, not a declining one. Combined with their reported, rumoured.. whatever methods I get a sensation of danger regarding this whole movement.
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My question is why you guys are so easy to bash religions and say the are cults. Then aethists would be a cult because everybody doesn't believe in God or any other supreme being.
Scientology wants money, and they are getting loads of it because that is how their cult functions.

Thye supported the DMCA and use it frequently against Google Slashdot ( Scientologists Force Comment Off Slashdot, Yahoo, any critics of them.

BBC documentary on Scientology was turned into a stalkingfest by them (they hire private investigators for every critic and use the predicatable Scientologist policy of fair game to attack them). they threatened to sue (as they frequently do:

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"A television news program, 60 Minutes, considered to be the United States' premiere investigative news program, featured a scathing 25-minute expose of Scientology's actions regarding a nonprofit organization called the Cult Awareness Network (CAN) on Sunday, December 28. CAN was the largest organization in the United States which aided cult victims, especially assisting parents whose children became trapped in dangerous cults.

Scientology filed 44 frivolous and malicious lawsuits against CAN, almost simultaneously, for the purpose of suing the organization out of existence and silencing its criticism of Scientology. "

Millions watch as 60 Minutes exposes fanatical cult's abuses of legal system, free speech, and critics
Surprise Arrest For Online Scientology Critic

so they had to take all the interesting stuff, eg., Lisa McPherson, some interviews with celebs, out.

BBC Scientology Documentary for free online Half an hour and you might learn a bit why countries don't classify it as a religion. Hint: It didn't start out that way until Hubbard got smacked down for practicing medicine without a license. So they got a first amendment exception by classifying it as a religious experience and making millions off their victims through selling 'religious' texts and courses (like Hubbard's sci fi book)

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Germany classes Scientology as a business, rather than a religious organization, and Belgium, France, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Luxembourg, Mexico, Spain and the United Kingdom, remain unconvinced that Scientology is a religion[91].
I'm atheist or agnostic, but this stuff is extremely shady.

Scientology and the legal system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Operation Snow White - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Successful plan to infiltrate the US gov't in the 1970s

Scientology had to pay the largest damages to a Crown prosecutor in Canada for slander or libelling him. They use a method (formerly) called "fair game".

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The statement I made was directed towards the people that say all religions are cults. If scientology is a cult than it is, what we going to do about it?
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Hi all, I wanted to mention about scientology in the ubuntu forums before but its a very un-linuxy subject.

After digging up on the subject recently

Who is Xenu?

It is hands down the most absurd idea I've ever heard. Though if it were possible for travolta, cruise and other dim witted rich idiots to return to their home planet they need to go as soon as possible I say.

p.s. take their lawyers with them!
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Hi all, I wanted to mention about scientology in the ubuntu forums before but its a very un-linuxy subject.

After digging up on the subject recently

Who is Xenu?

It is hands down the most absurd idea I've ever heard. Though if it were possible for travolta, cruise and other dim witted rich idiots to return to their home planet they need to go as soon as possible I say.

p.s. take their lawyers with them!
But leave the telephone sanitizers so we don't all die, please.
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My question is why you guys are so easy to bash religions and say the are cults. Then aethists would be a cult because everybody doesn't believe in God or any other supreme being.
Totally agree. That's why I'm trying to get as far away from religion discussions here as I can, but they're too attractive, and they're the main subjects dicussed at these forums now :/

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found this

Gallery of the Absurd: Hollywood Aliens: Tom Cruise

that picture is hilarious.

some of the comments are spot on
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i am going to watch this and report back. this isnt funny. this worries me, that ppl of influence believe this nonsense.

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