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Old 05-17-2007   #61 (permalink)
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@I_am_god: Not that nice saying Islam that way..

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Neither is killing people by blowing yourself up or crashing planes into buildings. But still, I will try to be more considerate, considering that most of the members don't come from the middle east and aren't total nut jobs. I would liek to say i'm sorry ot any muslims i offended.
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Old 05-17-2007   #62 (permalink)
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Neither is killing people by blowing yourself up or crashing planes into buildings. But still, I will try to be more considerate, considering that most of the members don't come from the middle east and aren't total nut jobs. I would liek to say i'm sorry ot any muslims i offended.
Why should you apologize? The comment may have been juvenile in nature, a sort of schoolyard insult, but the criticism is valid- Islam is directly responsible for the actions of the jihadists, and to apologize for calling Islam violent when it is in fact violent, is pointless. It is a symptom of the rather ridiculous position in our society that religion is somehow immune from criticism and that criticizing religion makes you a "meanie".
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Old 05-17-2007   #63 (permalink)
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I don't think we can say that a religion is violent, though individual adherents of any religion might be violent.

We don't call Catholics violent because of the Inquisition. Have we all forgotten about that part of history?
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I don't think we can say that a religion is violent, though individual adherents of any religion might be violent.

We don't call Catholics violent because of the Inquisition. Have we all forgotten about that part of history?
I would call a religion that incites violence a violent religion.

A book that tells parents to stone their children if they do not believe is violent.
A book that says that a woman who is raped should be stoned along with the rapist, so that the evil will not spread, is a violent book.
A book that declares that "lewd" women should be placed under house arrest until death, is a violent and misogynistic book.

I'll let you guess which rules go with which religious texts.
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Old 05-17-2007   #65 (permalink)
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Take in consideration on how old that text is and you have you reasoning for everything. Read the bible and notice that it doesn't include very much about women but more about men.
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The bible actually includes quite a lot about women, nearly all of it horrible. The same can be said of the Koran.
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Neither is killing people by blowing yourself up or crashing planes into buildings. But still, I will try to be more considerate, considering that most of the members don't come from the middle east and aren't total nut jobs. I would liek to say i'm sorry ot any muslims i offended.
And since when were extremists representative of a religion?

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Why should you apologize? The comment may have been juvenile in nature, a sort of schoolyard insult, but the criticism is valid- Islam is directly responsible for the actions of the jihadists, and to apologize for calling Islam violent when it is in fact violent, is pointless. It is a symptom of the rather ridiculous position in our society that religion is somehow immune from criticism and that criticizing religion makes you a "meanie".
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Would you mind telling me how Islam is directly responsible for Jihad attacks? The Koran asks people to fight whoever fights them, not to fight them for no reason.

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I would call a religion that incites violence a violent religion.

A book that tells parents to stone their children if they do not believe is violent.
A book that says that a woman who is raped should be stoned along with the rapist, so that the evil will not spread, is a violent book.
A book that declares that "lewd" women should be placed under house arrest until death, is a violent and misogynistic book.

I'll let you guess which rules go with which religious texts.
It doesn't say any of that in the quran that I read, thats to be found in the sharia that was written 175+ years after the the quran by non arabic speaking persians, i think they were called abbysids or zoastrians who converted there is a death sentence though for the rapist and 80 lashes for those that acuse women of lewd behavior, and there is no compulsion to believe it states, again that all came from those other books and has nothing to do with quran.
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I would call a religion that incites violence a violent religion.

A book that tells parents to stone their children if they do not believe is violent.
A book that says that a woman who is raped should be stoned along with the rapist, so that the evil will not spread, is a violent book.
A book that declares that "lewd" women should be placed under house arrest until death, is a violent and misogynistic book.

I'll let you guess which rules go with which religious texts.
So the Bible does not contain any violence or passages that might be interpreted incorrectly by violent nutjobs?
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So the Bible does not contain any violence or passages that might be interpreted incorrectly by violent nutjobs?
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The first two come from the Bible, the third from the Koran.
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It doesn't say any of that in the quran that I read, thats to be found in the sharia that was written 175+ years after the the quran by non arabic speaking persians, i think they were called abbysids or zoastrians who converted there is a death sentence though for the rapist and 80 lashes for those that acuse women of lewd behavior, and there is no compulsion to believe it states, again that all came from those other books and has nothing to do with quran.
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Old 05-18-2007   #72 (permalink)
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Doesn't the Quran say "killing one man is killing mankind"

They not responsible for there extrimists/terrorists. the people who created them are responsible.

for example most of modern "islamic" terrorist were created due US foreign policy.
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