Lol. I just referred to Dawkins like he was the Bible. Holy Book of atheists, I suppose? Maybe I should take a break from reading him...

SigmaX

"God of the Gaps."

SigmaX

Sex != adultery/fornication.

"Be fruitful, and multiply" (and some slight variations on the phrase) are said many, many times in the bible.

Sex !bad.

officially and atheist I have read some bible (with an open mind) and some other books and there are a few people on this earth that have figured it out: god was (possibly still is) and extra terestrial that made us and experiment in genetic manipulation and this can account for many things starting with the missing link passing by archeological findings that are not supposed to be there (sparg plugs in million year old rock ?) and the mere existance of such feats as the piramids yea yea slopes and other simple devices my ass they always forget to mention what millesimal precision there is in the placing of bricks that weight 10+ tons and expect us to think they did it with sticks

Oh, I agree that the split is quite artificial. In my mind, there is only one search for truth. The distinction I make is in those things whose scope is restricted to the physical reality, and those whose scope goes beyond. I think religion without reason is lunacy. I guess I am restricting the word science to the body of things generally accepted as being a part of science, which would exclude considerations of morality and whether there is a god. But these questions can still be addressed rationally. Is religion better fit to deal with these questions? That question shows me that our terminology is not matching up. Whatever means you may use to answer a question about morality, in my mind that falls into the domain of religion. I am in favor of a scientific, reasoned approach to everything. That doesn't make it all science. At least not the way I've been using the word.

There is no telling how many disagreements arise because people don't bother to define the terms they use...

Straw man.

And neither does "America's leading religion" believe that sex is bad. They believe "adultery" is bad.

SigmaX

Agreed.

Jentsu: A friend of mind is coming over in a minute who'll like your post on FUCK, and will probably turn around and tell me "see, told ya, bitch."

SigmaX

my quotes are not random or off the top of my head
no program
no one told me or interpreted, nor is there anyone in authority over me but Christ, atm. Less than 1/2 of 1% of the 'church' believes 95%+ of my theology. It's rare to read anything from me you have ever heard.
If you can read those 2 quotes and the scripture I posted and not know what the point was, I don't see how further explanation will help. It might however help to read up on the subject though.

I understand if someone choose science as source of explanation of the world,but I can not understand when someone make science it´s religion.there was a time when people think (on scientific bases)that Earth is flat and sun revolving around the Earth.It was scientific paradigma at the time.there was the time when people think that Aristotelian logic,Euclids geometry and Newton physics are a priori truth.Today we know that is not truth.Do we today ask ourself what maybe is not truth in modern science?No,we belive everything is O.K. and if it is not it will correct itself.

I agree that many people put "science" in a place where it does not belong. In my mind, all science can do is offer the best explanation for the phenomena that we see around us. By nature, the theories will change as new information becomes available. That's why I'm a mathematician: once proved, always proved.

It's much easier to feel secure by being haughty. Nobody likes to be unsure, which is why the search-for-truth is such a big conundrum nowadays, because how can one help but be unsure when there are so many opinions bombarding us through technology?

I'm signin' off for the day, folks. Been good discussion.

Cheerio,
SigmaX

As am I. Apparently, I have other things to do besides post on message boards. It's been enjoyable to talk to courteous, intelligent, well-spoken people.

Likewise! Not every forum is so well stocked... must be the pool of Linux users ;-).

Siggy

People can't have adultery if they aren't married.

mortelety exists becose thats how things evolved, don't know why though.

there is no proufe of life after death, so i will not believe it. all supernatural stuff is just created by the human brain, although its imposable to dispruve

I'll agree with you at least somewhat, but seriously, use a spellchecker. I am having a really, really difficult time reading what you've typed.

This will also be PM'd to you in case you post-and-run.

I grew up, well, as a Catholic on my dads side of the family and as Protestant on my moms side. Dads family came over from Ireland and moms side is German. My grandparents tried to make me choose which religion I would become every week. I chose NONE because of it.
As I got into high school, I lived with a foster family who are Navajo Indian. I learned as much from them as I ever learned in church about being a good person. I also found out many "RELIGIONS" have very similar beliefs.

I will never be part of any church, especially ones who believe they are the only CORRECT church. I'll not be part of a Religion that seems to think it's OK to war in Gods name yet say we must obey the ten commandments, one of which is not to kill. I have been to almost 30 different churches in my life. Most of them all have the same beliefs but complain about or fight with each other. How about a religion that doesn't support their government yet if they are robbed, they call the police and ask for help and pay taxes on wages and ask for their return the following year. I want to be a good person, helping others when I can even if they are different then me. I do not wish to be a hypocrite like most religions ask me to be. There are some very good religious people who I am proud to call my friends. I would share everything I have with them, they would do the same for me, even though we have different views and ideas. Our values are the same. I would not war with them or kill them in Gods name even though my church said it is OK.
My energy is just better focused on not wondering about a church and trying to live a good life. Use my manners, show respect to others and not force anyone to see my way of thinking is the only way or the most proper. I make mistakes all the time. I have to say I'm sorry at times for these mistakes. I may be very old or possibly dead before I could choose a religion. I would have to be the wisest man on planet Earth before I could be informed well enough to know which religion is correct for me.

SirShaggy

Peyote makes for a better Eucharist, anyways, right?

LOL!

Did you ever read "More then a Carpenter"? It talks about this guy's "proof" that Christianity is real. It's an excellent read, and instantly (within the first few chapters) disproves that graph.