As good as over

itsreallyme · 09-18-2008

I remember reading a thread started by rasczak a while back saying there will be a democratic president in the White House come 2009. I remember thinking what a difficult thing it was to have to agree with him on that issue.

Well, It is now time for me to admit that sometimes even rasczak gets it right.

This election is as good as over. John McCain has tripped over himself so many times and Sarah Palin's vanity and fantasy is becoming more obvious with each passing day.

Well rasczak, I kneel to your wisdom. Even you saw the folly of a McCain presidency......Good Call!

Rasczak · 09-19-2008

I didn't see folly in a McCain presidency. In fact, when the majority of conservative were flocking to Romney and Huckabee I was saying it would take a Giuliani or McCain to win the actual election. This is because, frankly, I acknowledged the Bush fatigue and the hard turns the war was taking in Iraq. Despite what you see in the comments secion of the Huffington post and Daily Kos, the truth is McCain is not another Bush no matter how many pictures of him standing next to Bush the Obama campaign can find and stick in their ads. Until it was apparent McCain would get the nomination, the left held McCain up on a pedestal and sung him praises for going against Bush. Look at what Biden said about McCain. So, what I did see is voters in the middle wanting to change direction and a full tilt orthodox Republican wasn't it.

Surprisingly, its pretty tight right now. Even in the state by state - which actually is the only meaningful predictor - the electoral votes could tip either way.

My prediction may well hold true, and it wouldn't surprise me at all for the McCain ticket to pull this out. At this point in the previous two election seasons, the Democrat was ahead in the polls. This time its iffy.

The Palin bounce did wonderful things for the McCain ticket, first and foremost obliterating any convention bounce for the Democrats and getting people talking about the McCain ticket.

If the Palin honeymoon isn't over already, it will be after the debate with Biden no matter how it goes, no matter how well or poorly she does. I'm not suggesting they'll lose ground, just that once she's seen getting into the blood and guts, nitty gritty, meat and potatoes of the issues, that's where she'll have to stay. The hockey mom, moose stew stuff won't carry her.

This is true for Obama too, tho his honeymoon has been long over. He's no longer the post-partisan, new politics package he was able to peddle earlier on. He looks weak when he starts talking specifics (because he is) and he's never faced an opponent before.

You also have to keep in mind elections are won in the middle. The committed liberals and conservatives don't decide elections and aren't swayed by anything negative on their own side or positive on the other. So, you can disagree all you want with anything I've said and counter with liberal blogger talking points, but that's not what or how the contested voters think.

A year ago the big issue was Iraq. Now, there isn't the amount of bad news coming out of Iraq the Democrats would like - so the issue is on the economy. "I'm going to raise taxes" doesn't sell as well as "I'm going to bring the troops back home."

Anyway, there's plenty other dynamics, and for me, this election is just beginning to get interesting. Part of me kind of likes the idea of Democrats taking full control of Washington, fucking things up even worse than Carter did, and paving the way for another era like the 80's, but on the other hand, I'd like to see a straight flush with Supreme Court appointees, and a lot of the crap Obama and Congressional Democrats want to push can't be un-done even when it becomes obvious it doesn't work.

The healthiest thing for the country in the long run, is McCain winning.

delilahjed44 · 09-19-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasczak

I didn't see folly in a McCain presidency. In fact, when the majority of conservative were flocking to Romney and Huckabee I was saying it would take a Giuliani or McCain to win the actual election. This is because, frankly, I acknowledged the Bush fatigue and the hard turns the war was taking in Iraq. Despite what you see in the comments secion of the Huffington post and Daily Kos, the truth is McCain is not another Bush no matter how many pictures of him standing next to Bush the Obama campaign can find and stick in their ads. Until it was apparent McCain would get the nomination, the left held McCain up on a pedestal and sung him praises for going against Bush. Look at what Biden said about McCain. So, what I did see is voters in the middle wanting to change direction and a full tilt orthodox Republican wasn't it.

Surprisingly, its pretty tight right now. Even in the state by state - which actually is the only meaningful predictor - the electoral votes could tip either way.

My prediction may well hold true, and it wouldn't surprise me at all for the McCain ticket to pull this out. At this point in the previous two election seasons, the Democrat was ahead in the polls. This time its iffy.

The Palin bounce did wonderful things for the McCain ticket, first and foremost obliterating any convention bounce for the Democrats and getting people talking about the McCain ticket.

If the Palin honeymoon isn't over already, it will be after the debate with Biden no matter how it goes, no matter how well or poorly she does. I'm not suggesting they'll lose ground, just that once she's seen getting into the blood and guts, nitty gritty, meat and potatoes of the issues, that's where she'll have to stay. The hockey mom, moose stew stuff won't carry her.

This is true for Obama too, tho his honeymoon has been long over. He's no longer the post-partisan, new politics package he was able to peddle earlier on. He looks weak when he starts talking specifics (because he is) and he's never faced an opponent before.

You also have to keep in mind elections are won in the middle. The committed liberals and conservatives don't decide elections and aren't swayed by anything negative on their own side or positive on the other. So, you can disagree all you want with anything I've said and counter with liberal blogger talking points, but that's not what or how the contested voters think.

A year ago the big issue was Iraq. Now, there isn't the amount of bad news coming out of Iraq the Democrats would like - so the issue is on the economy. "I'm going to raise taxes" doesn't sell as well as "I'm going to bring the troops back home."

Anyway, there's plenty other dynamics, and for me, this election is just beginning to get interesting. Part of me kind of likes the idea of Democrats taking full control of Washington, fucking things up even worse than Carter did, and paving the way for another era like the 80's, but on the other hand, I'd like to see a straight flush with Supreme Court appointees, and a lot of the crap Obama and Congressional Democrats want to push can't be un-done even when it becomes obvious it doesn't work.

The healthiest thing for the country in the long run, is McCain winning.

Rasczac..

AMEN BROTHER!

itsreallyme · 09-19-2008

Heres a revealing site with poll numbers. If you begin by scrolling to the bottom and working your way up, you can watch as it turns from red to blue. The Palin factor is done, and Americans are seeing her for the soccer (oops hockey mom) she is. I've known many like her, but I sure wouldn't entrust national security to any of them, regardless of how many can see Russia from where they live. Incidentally, have you read what that maverick Chuck Hagel has been saying again? Hes so much trouble, isn't he?

At that site, look at the southern states like georgia, alabama, arkansas, n.c. and s.c.. Who wants to claim that race isn't an issue? What a laugh.

Rasczak · 09-19-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by itsreallyme

Who wants to claim that race isn't an issue? What a laugh.

I've said this before, but its worth repeating being we just saw evidence.

Obama is not good for race issues. In fact he's bad. It'll just cause divisions. This wouldn't be true if a black Republican were running.

Look at the reaction when people don't vote for him. "Oh, they're from the south, they must be racist." If Obama doesn't win, and there's a good chance he won't, it'll be blamed on racism. If he does win, any disapproval will be blamed on racism.

Do you think these people in the south might not like him because he's a Marxist? Because he alienated rural and small town people with his clumsy "cling to guns and religion" comment? No, you're too eager to play the race card.

itsreallyme · 09-19-2008

The numbers are too lopsided. My wife and I were friends with a couple years ago when we lived in Arizona. They both seemed to be very open minded people. She was from Ohio and he was from California. They had met, fallen in love and married during their military service in the army. They were both working for Hughes aircraft at the time.

After 4 years in Arizona, they moved to Alabama with their 2 young daughters because he was offered a better job with another military contractor.

We had since moved to PA and decided to track them down after a few years. The wife came up and visited for a few days, and the change in attitude was amazing. One thing she said during a rather casual conversation we were having, was something like, 'and don't you forget that down south where we live, they're still niggers, and don't deserve anything, even respect from us whites.' My wife and I were floored. This conversation took place about 12 years ago or so. BTW-She was a Clinton supporter....Go figure...Racism makes no sense whatsoever..

Rasczak · 09-19-2008

Tennessee voted against their own Senator, Louisiana voted in a East-Indian descent man as governor. I believe Georgia (or one of the southern states) has a black governor. But if it gives you some kind of perverted comfort or makes you feel less guilty about being white to think everyone is a racist, or belittle and stereotype people in the south, go for it.

If you want lopsided numbers, look at the rate blacks vote for Democrats.

itsreallyme · 09-19-2008

At least its pretty much restricted to the south where most of those states don't carry much weight electorally.

Rasczak · 09-20-2008

/yawn

Rasczak · 09-20-2008

I just saw a study done on how racism could effect the Obama campaign. It was so interesting, I blogged about it.

Self-composed » Racism among Democrats could cost Obama the election

itsreallyme · 09-21-2008

I don't read blogs. And its difficult enough putting up with your nonsense on this forum. I sure as shit ain't gonna go looking for your drivel. I'll accept a link to the study, though.

However, if you're wanting to talk about the fact that many black people are disappointed with Obama, thats an old tune.

yaaarrrgg · 09-21-2008

Isn't it odd that the Republicans are all old white Christian men? Or at least with Alan Keyes, he never wins anything.

I remember seeing somewhere, a humorous process on the stages of acceptance of an idea:

first they say it's nonsense
then it makes sense, but won't work, or is false
then it's admitted that it's true, but trivial
then after they realize it's true, and non-trivial, they say it was their idea to begin with.

Rasczak · 09-21-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by itsreallyme

I don't read blogs. And its difficult enough putting up with your nonsense on this forum. I sure as shit ain't gonna go looking for your drivel. I'll accept a link to the study, though.

However, if you're wanting to talk about the fact that many black people are disappointed with Obama, thats an old tune.

The study shows that racism among Democrats (not Republicans) is what could cost Obama the election. That should be apparent from the title to the link.

itsreallyme · 09-21-2008

The truth is that nearly all Americans, black, white, Hispanic and otherwise are racist to some degree. Whats the point of all this? Has anyone ever said that there is no such animal as a racist democrat?

This entire argument sounds defensive on the part of conservatives, or at least one conservative. The rest would be smart to keep their distance from this.

Incidentally, has anyone been following the the campaigns? Obama has this thing wrapped up already...McCain can't help tripping over himself. He's an angry old man.

kevmartin · 09-21-2008

Said Link to study:
Political Pulse | The Associated Press-Yahoo! News Poll on Yahoo! News

I'm also not inclined to read what looks to be a very long-winded post on your blog. I did notice in passing you using the word Marxist to describe Obama again ... ooookkkk.

As for the study - or what was presented of it on the Yahoo page, my first impressions of it were it indicates that Racism still exists (wow, what a shock!), and that Republicans are more racist than Democrats (OMG, even more shocking!).

itsreallyme · 09-22-2008

Oh- that yahoo link. Thats a debate on another forum I visit, too. Silly shit.

Daquan13 · 09-23-2008

I've long since decided to vote for Obama regardless.

itsreallyme · 09-24-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daquan13

I've long since decided to vote for Obama regardless.

Just the fact that rasczak isn't voting for Obama is good enough reason to for so many.....

Daquan13 · 09-24-2008

He's only voting for another "Bush" anyway.

itsreallyme · 09-24-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daquan13

He's only voting for another "Bush" anyway.

So you think he has a hidden sexual agenda? Quite possible I suppose.

09-18-2008	#1 (permalink)
itsreallyme Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 329	As good as over I remember reading a thread started by rasczak a while back saying there will be a democratic president in the White House come 2009. I remember thinking what a difficult thing it was to have to agree with him on that issue. Well, It is now time for me to admit that sometimes even rasczak gets it right. This election is as good as over. John McCain has tripped over himself so many times and Sarah Palin's vanity and fantasy is becoming more obvious with each passing day. Well rasczak, I kneel to your wisdom. Even you saw the folly of a McCain presidency......Good Call!
	Heres to Ya! My Mother

09-19-2008	#2 (permalink)
Rasczak Stirrer Of Shit Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oahu Posts: 3,951	Re: As good as over I didn't see folly in a McCain presidency. In fact, when the majority of conservative were flocking to Romney and Huckabee I was saying it would take a Giuliani or McCain to win the actual election. This is because, frankly, I acknowledged the Bush fatigue and the hard turns the war was taking in Iraq. Despite what you see in the comments secion of the Huffington post and Daily Kos, the truth is McCain is not another Bush no matter how many pictures of him standing next to Bush the Obama campaign can find and stick in their ads. Until it was apparent McCain would get the nomination, the left held McCain up on a pedestal and sung him praises for going against Bush. Look at what Biden said about McCain. So, what I did see is voters in the middle wanting to change direction and a full tilt orthodox Republican wasn't it. Surprisingly, its pretty tight right now. Even in the state by state - which actually is the only meaningful predictor - the electoral votes could tip either way. My prediction may well hold true, and it wouldn't surprise me at all for the McCain ticket to pull this out. At this point in the previous two election seasons, the Democrat was ahead in the polls. This time its iffy. The Palin bounce did wonderful things for the McCain ticket, first and foremost obliterating any convention bounce for the Democrats and getting people talking about the McCain ticket. If the Palin honeymoon isn't over already, it will be after the debate with Biden no matter how it goes, no matter how well or poorly she does. I'm not suggesting they'll lose ground, just that once she's seen getting into the blood and guts, nitty gritty, meat and potatoes of the issues, that's where she'll have to stay. The hockey mom, moose stew stuff won't carry her. This is true for Obama too, tho his honeymoon has been long over. He's no longer the post-partisan, new politics package he was able to peddle earlier on. He looks weak when he starts talking specifics (because he is) and he's never faced an opponent before. You also have to keep in mind elections are won in the middle. The committed liberals and conservatives don't decide elections and aren't swayed by anything negative on their own side or positive on the other. So, you can disagree all you want with anything I've said and counter with liberal blogger talking points, but that's not what or how the contested voters think. A year ago the big issue was Iraq. Now, there isn't the amount of bad news coming out of Iraq the Democrats would like - so the issue is on the economy. "I'm going to raise taxes" doesn't sell as well as "I'm going to bring the troops back home." Anyway, there's plenty other dynamics, and for me, this election is just beginning to get interesting. Part of me kind of likes the idea of Democrats taking full control of Washington, fucking things up even worse than Carter did, and paving the way for another era like the 80's, but on the other hand, I'd like to see a straight flush with Supreme Court appointees, and a lot of the crap Obama and Congressional Democrats want to push can't be un-done even when it becomes obvious it doesn't work. The healthiest thing for the country in the long run, is McCain winning.
	Eric "For whoever habitually suppresses the truth in the interests of tact will produce a deformity from the womb of his thought." -Sir Basil H. Liddel-Hart "How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."—Ronald Reagan http://self-composed.com

09-19-2008	#4 (permalink)
itsreallyme Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 329	Re: As good as over Heres a revealing site with poll numbers. If you begin by scrolling to the bottom and working your way up, you can watch as it turns from red to blue. The Palin factor is done, and Americans are seeing her for the soccer (oops hockey mom) she is. I've known many like her, but I sure wouldn't entrust national security to any of them, regardless of how many can see Russia from where they live. Incidentally, have you read what that maverick Chuck Hagel has been saying again? Hes so much trouble, isn't he? At that site, look at the southern states like georgia, alabama, arkansas, n.c. and s.c.. Who wants to claim that race isn't an issue? What a laugh. Last edited by itsreallyme : 09-21-2008 at 11:44 AM.
	Heres to Ya! My Mother

09-19-2008	#6 (permalink)
itsreallyme Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 329	Re: As good as over The numbers are too lopsided. My wife and I were friends with a couple years ago when we lived in Arizona. They both seemed to be very open minded people. She was from Ohio and he was from California. They had met, fallen in love and married during their military service in the army. They were both working for Hughes aircraft at the time. After 4 years in Arizona, they moved to Alabama with their 2 young daughters because he was offered a better job with another military contractor. We had since moved to PA and decided to track them down after a few years. The wife came up and visited for a few days, and the change in attitude was amazing. One thing she said during a rather casual conversation we were having, was something like, 'and don't you forget that down south where we live, they're still niggers, and don't deserve anything, even respect from us whites.' My wife and I were floored. This conversation took place about 12 years ago or so. BTW-She was a Clinton supporter....Go figure...Racism makes no sense whatsoever..
	Heres to Ya! My Mother

09-19-2008	#7 (permalink)
Rasczak Stirrer Of Shit Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oahu Posts: 3,951	Re: As good as over Tennessee voted against their own Senator, Louisiana voted in a East-Indian descent man as governor. I believe Georgia (or one of the southern states) has a black governor. But if it gives you some kind of perverted comfort or makes you feel less guilty about being white to think everyone is a racist, or belittle and stereotype people in the south, go for it. If you want lopsided numbers, look at the rate blacks vote for Democrats.
	Eric "For whoever habitually suppresses the truth in the interests of tact will produce a deformity from the womb of his thought." -Sir Basil H. Liddel-Hart "How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."—Ronald Reagan http://self-composed.com

09-19-2008	#8 (permalink)
itsreallyme Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 329	Re: As good as over At least its pretty much restricted to the south where most of those states don't carry much weight electorally.
	Heres to Ya! My Mother

09-20-2008	#9 (permalink)
Rasczak Stirrer Of Shit Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oahu Posts: 3,951	Re: As good as over /yawn
	Eric "For whoever habitually suppresses the truth in the interests of tact will produce a deformity from the womb of his thought." -Sir Basil H. Liddel-Hart "How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."—Ronald Reagan http://self-composed.com

09-20-2008	#10 (permalink)
Rasczak Stirrer Of Shit Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oahu Posts: 3,951	Re: As good as over I just saw a study done on how racism could effect the Obama campaign. It was so interesting, I blogged about it. Self-composed » Racism among Democrats could cost Obama the election
	Eric "For whoever habitually suppresses the truth in the interests of tact will produce a deformity from the womb of his thought." -Sir Basil H. Liddel-Hart "How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."—Ronald Reagan http://self-composed.com

09-21-2008	#11 (permalink)
itsreallyme Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 329	Re: As good as over I don't read blogs. And its difficult enough putting up with your nonsense on this forum. I sure as shit ain't gonna go looking for your drivel. I'll accept a link to the study, though. However, if you're wanting to talk about the fact that many black people are disappointed with Obama, thats an old tune.
	Heres to Ya! My Mother

09-21-2008	#12 (permalink)
yaaarrrgg Super Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 998	Re: As good as over Isn't it odd that the Republicans are all old white Christian men? Or at least with Alan Keyes, he never wins anything. I remember seeing somewhere, a humorous process on the stages of acceptance of an idea: first they say it's nonsense then it makes sense, but won't work, or is false then it's admitted that it's true, but trivial then after they realize it's true, and non-trivial, they say it was their idea to begin with.

09-21-2008	#14 (permalink)
itsreallyme Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 329	Re: As good as over The truth is that nearly all Americans, black, white, Hispanic and otherwise are racist to some degree. Whats the point of all this? Has anyone ever said that there is no such animal as a racist democrat? This entire argument sounds defensive on the part of conservatives, or at least one conservative. The rest would be smart to keep their distance from this. Incidentally, has anyone been following the the campaigns? Obama has this thing wrapped up already...McCain can't help tripping over himself. He's an angry old man.
	Heres to Ya! My Mother

09-21-2008	#15 (permalink)
kevmartin Reliable Music I Got Left To Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 994	Re: As good as over Said Link to study: Political Pulse \| The Associated Press-Yahoo! News Poll on Yahoo! News I'm also not inclined to read what looks to be a very long-winded post on your blog. I did notice in passing you using the word Marxist to describe Obama again ... ooookkkk. As for the study - or what was presented of it on the Yahoo page, my first impressions of it were it indicates that Racism still exists (wow, what a shock!), and that Republicans are more racist than Democrats (OMG, even more shocking!).
	___________________________ Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans. - John Lennon

09-22-2008	#16 (permalink)
itsreallyme Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 329	Re: As good as over Oh- that yahoo link. Thats a debate on another forum I visit, too. Silly shit.
	Heres to Ya! My Mother

09-23-2008	#17 (permalink)
Daquan13 Eligible for a custom title Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East Boston, MA. Posts: 740	Re: As good as over I've long since decided to vote for Obama regardless.
	Man: "You're running at 1550. The house is lit" Little Boy: "Mom, can we keep him?" ~Daquan13.

09-24-2008	#19 (permalink)
Daquan13 Eligible for a custom title Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East Boston, MA. Posts: 740	Re: As good as over He's only voting for another "Bush" anyway.
	Man: "You're running at 1550. The house is lit" Little Boy: "Mom, can we keep him?" ~Daquan13.