You probably heard about McCains comments about not loving American until he was 34 [sic!] years old and being held pow.

Well, imho there's nothing wrong with saying that, it's not illegal he can say what he thinks, doesn't matter. Patriotism is stupid anyway.

But what I don't think should be done is that foxnews deleted that one passage from the transcript.

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/06/damaging-mccain.html

You guys are going to have to do a lot better than this.

Well it does seem a little pathetic to edit a transcript. The very point of a transcript is it is a complete record of what happened.

Not to bust your bubble, but they got the quote from the transcript - the site Mrigns links to quotes the transcript.

They link to the entire transcript here.

You have to really be grasping at straws to think he was saying he never loved america before spending two years in solitary confinement out of a total of over 5 years as a POW.

Even if he were saying that, it's still worlds different than Michelle Obama saying she's never been proud of this country until her hubby got in the election.

Like I said, you guys are going to have to try a lot harder.

You seem to be missing the point.

Firstly there are two links - to the Fox transcript here: FOXNews.com - Exclusive: John McCain Sits Down With Sean Hannity - Sean Hannity | Alan Colmes | Hannity & Colmes

... and to the full transcript provided by another site, that you mentioned the link to.

Actually I see a kind of disclaimer on the Fox transcript now - which I didn't see before (whether or not I missed it or it wasn't there, I have no idea):

"This is a rush transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," March 13, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated."

Even so, Why would a page dated June 20 have a "rush" transcript of an interview done in March - seems a little strange.

But secondly, and more to the point - I don't think anyone here is saying there is anything wrong with McCain's comments (note the bolded sentence on the original quoted page "Obviously, there's absolutely nothing wrong with what McCain said to Sean Hannity." The issue (for me at least) is Fox's manipulation of what they report.

On the issue of people pointing to McCain's comments in the first place, as I understand it, they are largely using it as an example to show how it seems hypocritical to attack Michelle Obama over some comments she made in a similar vein. If you don't think they were in a similar vein, well that's a separate issue in a sense. I haven't seen the original Obama statements, but wouldn't be surprised if they too were distorted by the media by quoting out of context.

Isn't there a video on said site that shows McCain saying the words in question above the FoxNews banner? The desperation is palpable.

There's nothing desperate about it at all. Except perhaps your desperation to defend your original statement that there are desperate claims being made. We're not discussing the web video or the TV broadcast it presumably came from here. Perhaps if the web site transcript had a footnote stating (NOTE: portions from this interview have been edited out, but you might see some of them by watching our TV show) ... that would go some way to excusing the issue. Are we by default expected to have to watch a TV show in order to catch the edited parts of a transcript? I thought it was supposed to work the other way around

The point is, why edit it out at all, in a transcript?

I've seen the transcript. It wasn't edited out.

Somebody is definitely playing around with the article on Fox - the page that I noted yesterday was date June 20, but talking about an interview from March, is now magically dated March 14.

I haven't seen anyone say the transcript was edited except mrigns. IIRC. When I read the site he linked to, it didn't say anything about them changing a transcript, they quoted the transcript. The transcript they linked to isn't even on Fox's site, so Fox couldn't have messed with it.

If I were you, I'd drop this one. This really isn't something to be obsessed about. Its a non issue on every level.

The site says they "excluded" the remark, which clearly is altering and manipulation of an transcript which usually contains all of what was said.

So this, which IS linked in the article isn't foxnews? I should get my eyes checked then.

I know you turn boneheaded when someone says something about your friend mccain, but this isn't about him. I don't care much about him or obama, they're both practically the same from my pov.

This is about foxnews, the news station always claiming the only not being biased. What's their slogan again? Fair and balanced? We report you decide?

Well, they should change that to "unfair and biased" and "we decide. you don't"

They're not better than any other station.

To quote myself from an earlier post ...

The one one foxnews.com is the one that appears in my opinion to have now been re-edited to include the missing section.

No matter how you look at it, it's a non-issue.

How is media manipulation not an issue? Please tell me.

John McCain said something to Hannity in a Fox News interview, likely in a Fox News studio.

We have read what was said and you can see what was said on the video.

Had Fox News wanted to prevent the statement from reaching the public, they easily could have. Obviously they didn't. We can see what he said on the video Fox broadcast and read it on the transcript Fox released.

Why would they have tried to hide it anyway? There is nothing wrong with what was said.

Nobody said there was anything wrong about what he said.

Fox DID hide it away, they didn't host the video. The only thing they were showing was an altered transcript.

The remark was added again after, site, blogs an whoever else reported the fraud.

You still did not tell me why you think media manipulation is not an issue for you.

Everyone here agrees there is nothing wrong with what he said yes. But yet still there was some public controversy about it. I really don't think we should need to spell this out for you in crayons.

All the spelling out has already been done. The crayon writing is on the wall. Mrigns linked to some marginal leftwing blog that tries to make something out of nothing and you two have followed suit.