It's been five years now sine the war in Iraq began, and the Bush Administration is STILL supporting it!!

Refusing to let go and get our boys out of there, Bush has stubbornly said that the war needs to continue, to be won!

I think that this is all bullcrap! And if that moron McCain gets in office, HE'LL ALSO want it to continue as well!!

I'm not so much about the troups being over there, but now that its been started, among the many messes we aready are involved...one thing is true, if we werent there,...they would be here...meaning terrorism here we never thought possible in the states...but the conclusion remains to be seen.

Sherri

The number of people killed over there because of Bush's foolishness now even surpasses the number of people murdered in the September 11, 2001 terror attacks!

The jerk doesn't feel sorry one bit!!

You can bet on one thing - no matter who is elected this year, we'll continue to have troops there. I respect the arguments that we should not have went there in the first place, tho I disagree with them for the most part and count them as monday morning quarterbacking. But whether we should have went there in the first place is a different question than whether we should pursue victory there now.

Saddam Huissein and both his sons were smoked.

What else is left? They should get the troops out and bring them home! No more goddam excuses from that idiot Bush about we need to finish it!! He's just full of crap!

Wow bush has tricked everyone with his "war on terror." Reminds me of that robot chicken episode "terrorism!!!" If we weren't over there in the first place pissing people off for our precious oil maybe we wouldn't have people running planes into buildings.

We're over there fighting guerrillas. No army in the history of the planet has been able to win such a war. In fact this is the main and only reason for Napoleon's defeat. The sooner we leave everything up to the Iraqis the better.

Define "victory".

If Bush wants to continue this ridiculous war in Iraq, then he should switch gears and consentrate on trying to find America's most wanted man.

Like the jerk had promised three days after 09-11 while standing
atop the wereckage of the old World Trade Center!!!

Bottom line...someone has to mop up the mess...for now its us...cant seem to win either way...its one sticky situation now, I will be surprised to see any president get a victory on this one..what a mess..

Sherri


Trials are medicines which our gracious and wise Physician prescribes because we need them; and he proportions the frequency and weight of them to what the case requires. Let us trust his skill and thank him for his prescription.
... Sir Isaac Newton

BUSH should be the one to mop up the mess.

He's the one who initiated it, he thought of it, he bought it, he owns it. He bought the farm, HE should be the one to feed the pigs!!!

To bad that wont be the case, not enough time...I dont think he thought this out ahead of time..so now its going to be the presidential claim ( next president ) who must deal with this...its going to be a hairy one..

Sherri

Things aren't going to "look pretty" until we get out of there. It's not a matter of cleaning something up, you cannot defeat guerrillas, ever. No army in the history of this planet has been able to accomplish such a task. They'll stop shooting at soldiers when they stop seeing them walking down the street.

I believe a true strangle hold on the borders would make all the difference or 9/11 very well may have never happened, but the economy in America would probably somewhat fold with every illegal alien going back, ( not happening in this lifetime I exist ) but I think that is where it all starts. The socially elite could not afford to have their businesses crash on account of money not being spent. The progression here in America is unbelievable, but it has happen in due respect over America becoming much more populated. A vast majority are illegals, visa's that expired, and on the run, I know I see these people working at our hospitals and I know them, not on a personal level, but know of their stories.

Heres a thought, why cant we have our soldiers doing their duty here in America, protecting the borders and over all hanging out here and there for our safety...better here than there...but it must be somewhere or the attacks will once again be on the move, its inevitable now, so it seems.

Sherri

This seems to be the common school of thought, but I believe it is an assumption and/or an excuse perpetuated by those in power. There is nothing stopping a troop withdrawal. The country needs to be given back to those who own it. The invasion was illegal (not to mention morally wrong) in the first place. Continued occupation is also illegal (claiming that it is sanctioned by the 'legitimate' Iraqi Government doesn't hold much weight since that Government was chosen and installed by the invaders).

Immediate and total military withdrawal seems to be the best approach to me. If continued presence is needed it should be at most a United nations peacekeeping presence (none would be better).

I think the idea that attacks will continue or start again 'no matter what' is her assumption. The solution is to look at why they happen (and not buy into the official line that it is because the attackers are just inherently evil and attacking for the sake of it). Ask the questions seriously ... Why Do They Attack? What did the USA do to make them want to attack you? Then address the issue. Solutions are ALWAYS found by addressing the cause rather than the symptom.

What is your reasoning behind the attacks on the USA in the first place? I am curious, seems everyone has an opinion, but no solutions...even the president elects have no solutions...just possible maybe's..

Sherri

I think probably the potential presidents are quite aware of the reasons, but they are not politically popular ones to state, so you won't find them stating them openly - at least while they are trying to get people's votes. Maybe after they are elected - but still unlikely.

I believe it is all about American foreign policy - particularly in the middle east, and most particularly, in Israel.

Bin Laden has said this over and over, and so too the people who lead the attacks on the WTC in 1993, the attack on the CIA in 1993 - even the Shoe Bomber.

It is absolutely not about converting people to Islam, or killing disbelievers for the sake of it etc.

Noam Chomsky has written books and released DVDs on the subject that outline details of the history and can be very interesting if you want more details. (I'm sure there is plenty of other reading available too - but Chomsky is very well respected and who I'd recommend to start with).

A functioning stable democracy - Iraq being able to maintain its own security with minimal dependance on other countries and stand on its own. See Germany, Japan, and South Korea for the basic template.

Who is Noam Chomsky respected by?

Do you even know who he is? Generative grammar? He has been cited as a source more times than any other living scholar. Just short of Shakespeare, Aristotle, Plato, and Marx, all of whom are dead.