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Old 01-01-2008   #1 (permalink)
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What is your opinion on states' powers ( rights if you please). Do you think they would be good for the U.S., if we were to severely limit federal rule again? Do you think they would be bad if we allowed states much more power of the people inside it's boundaries? etc etc
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When you ask about states' powers/rights, are you talking about civil liberties?

The reason the Articles of Confederation failed is because an imbalance of powers necessary for coordination and direction. I'm a little sketchy on the details but I believe that among these was taxing authority and the voting legislature.

If you're talking about civil liberties, then yes, states should receive more power. As far as 'severely limit federal rule again', I don't know about that. Depends on what you perceive as a severe limitation.

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Yeah, we should... you know... follow the constitution. Lincoln fucked everything up with his war not to abolish slavery, but to abolish states rights.
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If states werent as limited with civil liberties, that would cause a shit slide of court issues being sent to the supreme court and making everyone want federal rule. I think, the majority of the citizens are way to dependent on federal gov in all aspects, thats why there is less strength in states rule. Im against Federal ruling over states, but it makes life easier for most and sheople can go about depending on Government some more.
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If the right to secede were recognized, I'd be plenty happy. All this nonsense about the Union being binding forever and ever in any circumstance, even when the state has explicitly withdrawn its consent, is crazy.
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If the right to secede were recognized, I'd be plenty happy. All this nonsense about the Union being binding forever and ever in any circumstance, even when the state has explicitly withdrawn its consent, is crazy.
The nation was founded on consent of the governed. There was nothing in the Constitution (and still isn't as far as I know) that gives the federal government the power to stop a state from leaving the union, any more than it can stop a citizen from abandoning her citizenship.

What Lincoln did in waging the war between the states was wrong, illegal, and was a disaster for the country then and today. He's the worst president in history as far as I'm concerned. I wish he'd been assasinated (or better yet, just kicked out of office, or even better - never elected) a lot sooner.
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What Lincoln did in waging the war between the states was wrong, illegal, and was a disaster for the country then and today. He's the worst president in history as far as I'm concerned. I wish he'd been assasinated (or better yet, just kicked out of office, or even better - never elected) a lot sooner.
Meh, Lincoln perpetrated a war of conquest. Those are a dime a dozen.

What was more harmful to secession rights was Texas v. White. It effectively nullified the 10th Amendment by stating that, even though the Constitution never touches on secession, it was still not a right reserved to the states, which contradicts the 10th Amendment.

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As a country strong federal powers make us a better competitor with the rest of the world. But I see the arguments for state rights as well.
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Meh, Lincoln perpetrated a war of conquest. Those are a dime a dozen.

What was more harmful to secession rights was Texas v. White. It effectively nullified the 10th Amendment by stating that, even though the Constitution never touches on secession, it was still not a right reserved to the states, which contradicts the 10th Amendment.
Lincoln's goal throughout his political career was transferring more power to central government from the states.
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