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Old 12-08-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Default German Christian party (PBC) gains ground, doubled their votes in recent polls.

The Numbers speak for themselves, they doubled their support in the last 2 years. And they are against the separation of state and religion.

Is this a dangerous situation for Europe? What should be done?
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Old 12-08-2007   #2 (permalink)
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Perhaps a few hundred more years in the dark ages will teach us something... this time around... perhaps germany has some education issues... not sure. I don't know much about german politics. Perhaps they should all be sent copies of The God Delusion and Letter to a Christian Nation...
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How bad is it?
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By the way, the local creationists, PBC (Party of the Bible-faithful Christians) polled at 0.23%. That's not that much percentage-wise, but in absolute numbers, having over a hundred thousand complete nutters (and growing) is not a comfortable feeling.
Hmm, that was 2005 also found 0.1% in 1998.

But certainly would not like it if they got a mayor share, i read that they want non-secularity for the EU as well. As an indication how much i dislike it: The EU ever stopped being secular, i would hope that the Netherlands would pull out on some things with the EU.
I dont think it is bad at this moment, though. Perhaps it means that people who know better should be more involved things that form public opinion/mentality. I probably should be too, but i am not the most socializing person possible. (And i dont know enough about Germany, after all, a neighbouring country.)
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The Numbers speak for themselves, they doubled their support in the last 2 years. And they are against the separation of state and religion.

Is this a dangerous situation for Europe? What should be done?
What do you mean "what should be done?" What options are on the table? Labor camps? Re-education centers? What do you mean?
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What do you mean "what should be done?" What options are on the table? Labor camps? Re-education centers? What do you mean?
That's what they want to do. There was an interview on German TV with one of their leaders a couple of days ago.

They want to punish atheists, banning scientific book and non-Christian media.

Not going to church on Sundays would get you in Prison.

Well, they want to replace all Laws and the Basic Law, and use the Bible.

They want to free the Holy Land (they don't like Jews and Muslims).

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Yes.
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Are you serious?
I did misread, i thought he asked if they want camps and re-education for others.
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I did misread, i thought he asked if they want camps and re-education for others.
That makes me feel much better.

Wow, they're freaking crazy. And they've managed to get the support of .23% of the electorate?
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That's what they want to do. There was an interview on German TV with one of their leaders a couple of days ago.

They want to punish atheists, banning scientific book and non-Christian media.

Not going to church on Sundays would get you in Prison.

Well, they want to replace all Laws and the Basic Law, and use the Bible.

They want to free the Holy Land (they don't like Jews and Muslims).
Again, what should be done about a group like this? They want to take people's individual liberties away and force them to abide by their religion. What should be done about such a group with an agenda like that?
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Right now nothing is done, the Verfassungsschutz (Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution) watches their actions closely though.

Rasczak they are christians, they have to be good, so you can leave.
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Right now nothing is done, the Verfassungsschutz (Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution) watches their actions closely though.

Rasczak they are christians, they have to be good, so you can leave.
How many planes have they hijacked so far? Have they blew up any pizza parlors or bus stops yet?

Anyway, they don't sound like they know the basics of Christian theology very well. There is no mandate in Christian doctrines for a Christian government.

Do you have any links to articles in English about these guys? I'm curious to know what percentage of German Christians they make up.
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About 62 Million people are allowed to vote, 60% Christians in Germany. (rounded)

Do the Maths.

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About 62 Million people are allowed to vote, 60% Christians in Germany. (rounded)

Do the Maths.
Wow! All 60% of Christians are members and in lock step with this party?

And its doubled in the last couple years? You got some remarkable evangelists over there. At this rate it looks like you'll be marching to Sunday school with the rest of the neighborhood within months.

Seriously, are you going to answer any of my questions? I asked you what percentage of German Christians are members of this party not what percentage of Germans claim to be Christians.
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About 62 Million people are allowed to vote, 60% Christians in Germany. (rounded)

Do the Maths.
Now that disingenuous.

Are all German Christians so weak enough of mind, then, that you think they'd actually cast a vote for these people?

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I grew up in a Christian family, though I'm not personally Christian or religious. Christian libertarians are very common in the U.S.

I consider it an impossibility that every Christian, or even a simple majority, in Germany would support such a party.
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That's a pretty wide bible belt for Germany.
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Not 60% are voting this party Lol.

He asked how many christians are members or voring for themm so I gave him all the values he needs to do the maths.

62M voters - 0.3% PBC - 186,000 people
62m voters - 60% Chr - 37M people
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Rasczack What Question? How Many Planes they hijacked? The Same ammount 1.3Billion -19 Muslims did.

Maybe I'm going to ask my Neighbour, he's Muslim, when He's finally going to blow up the Stadium we're wathching football in.

I don't know why you're turning every fucking thread in a "I hate Muslims" rant.

On one Side you complaining about the thought police, but you like the idea of the thought police when it comes to Muslims...


Ok, now answer me a question, how many Muslims got killed by Christians in the last few years in Afghanistan and Iraq?

And How many Christians or Americans did they kill.

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Not 60% are voting this party Lol.

He asked how many christians are members or voring for themm so I gave him all the values he needs to do the maths.

62M voters - 0.3% PBC - 186,000 people
62m voters - 60% Chr - 37M people
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Rasczack What Question? How Many Planes they hijacked? The Same ammount 1.3Billion -19 Muslims did.

Maybe I'm going to ask my Neighbour, he's Muslim, when He's finally going to blow up the Stadium we're wathching football in.

I don't know why you're turning every fucking thread in a "I hate Muslims" rant.

On one Side you complaining about the thought police, but you like the idea of the thought police when it comes to Muslims...


Ok, now answer me a question, how many Muslims got killed by Christians in the last few years in Afghanistan and Iraq?

And How many Christians or Americans did they kill.
I'm pretty sure you're the only one who has mentioned Muslims by name in this thread. I've been asked not to talk about Muslims on this forum by the staff, and being the sweetheart that I am, I was happy to ablige.

What does the 99.6% of Christians in Germany that aren't PBC have to say about these wackos you're so afraid of?

And no, I don't like the idea of thought police - I'm fine with anyone who doesn't put bomb belts on children and beat their women or support those who do, no matter how much they hate me for being secular.

As for your last question, not enough - if we're talking about the ones who "love death." As for the rest, an insignificant fraction of the ones who are no longer living under a fascist regimes that are guilty of things like mass genocide, chopping of womens fingers for wearing nail polish, and keeping girls out of schools.
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I'm pretty sure you're the only one who has mentioned Muslims by name in this thread.
You know damn well what you were implying when you said:
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How many planes have they hijacked so far? Have they blew up any pizza parlors or bus stops yet?
I mean how else are we to interpret it? That they wont kill us? Noo, they are only saying that they would only inprison people for secular beliefs, that is much better. \sarcasm
MRiGnS never said that they would hijack planes or blow up anything, it does not mean that they are not a threat to free society. (Infact killing people at the rate terrorism does is -at itself- not a threat to free society, our reaction might be.)

As much as i dislike the mentality of those .23% i dont think it is really a huge problem.
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And no, I don't like the idea of thought police - I'm fine with anyone who doesn't put bomb belts on children and beat their women or support those who do, no matter how much they hate me for being secular.
But the question is that if in power, would these people leave the secular alone? I very much doubt it. And no-one ever said they are for any legal action against their religion.
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You know damn well what you were implying when you said:
So, you made the connection between hijacking and Muslims, you didn't need me to do it.

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I mean how else are we to interpret it? That they wont kill us? Noo, they are only saying that they would only inprison people for secular beliefs, that is much better. \sarcasm
MRiGnS never said that they would hijack planes or blow up anything, it does not mean that they are not a threat to free society. (Infact killing people at the rate terrorism does is -at itself- not a threat to free society, our reaction might be.)
You are putting words in my mouth. They aren't a thread to free society because they'll never win the political capitol to carry out their crazy agenda. But, they are working within the democratic system to try rather than force it on the majority through force, ie terrorism.

As much as i dislike the mentality of those .23% i dont think it is really a huge problem.

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But the question is that if in power, would these people leave the secular alone? I very much doubt it. And no-one ever said they are for any legal action against their religion.
No, they wouldn't if you believe MRIGNs account. But neither would the communists, the Greens, or any other wacko fringe. Rather than look to jail your political opponents (I'm not sure what mrigns was suggesting by "what should be done") vote against them. That's what most people do, and that's why these fringe wackos have no political power.

Its the ones who grab political power by means other than the democratic process, whether its violence or activist judges, etc, you need to worry about.

The theme for this thread, as far as I'm concerned, is how silly it is to be worried about such a tiny, insignificant minority who haven't hurt anyone.
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