stupid liberals

On the contrary. The conservatives bare the responsibility.

btw vote Clinton. She'll make the best first woman President.

She's a socialist tool, like you. You can put that down as a no.

As for oil, you can blame the left hand or the right hand for the problem.

It's a controlled commodity, captive market and all. A cartel. The price of a commodity is determined by it's percieved scarcity. The factual scarcity is irrelevant.

What ever....

Liberals are the ones who both prevent energy exploration and using the oil we are sitting right on top of. Further more, they prevent refineries from being built. To top it off, Liberals block the building of Nulear power plants (which are tree hugger friendly)

Liberals are the ones who prevent energy progress.

Here is the car liberals want us to drive whilst they fly about the planet in private jets

my dream car!!
how much?

Bush has a little knob under his desk that directly control oil prices, when oil prices drop too low he just dials them up a bit higher so he and all his buddies can make more money.

Oops, forgot about the knob.

The capitalist system is fault for the high oil prices.

Thanks for that highly informative post. /sarcasm

You might want to learn something about capitalism if you plan on blaming it for all of society's ills.

State collusion with a commodity controlling cartel is responsible. There is no competition in oil.

Wow, how many brain cells did you kill writing that post?

That doesn't even make sense. Is that supposed to be an insult? Try harder.

Apparently you have killed to many brain cells trying to actually say something intelligent.

He's the one that showed you are wrong about capitalism and explained for you what factors do control oil prices. You are going on with some elementry school palaver about killing brain cells. Like he said, try harder.

@KarlMarx Goddamn KarlMarx, try harder! I agree that some of the caveits of capitalism is in large part the reason behind why so much oil has been used so far.

I wont tell them now, so you can (hopefully) show that you can actually provide arguments for your opinions, rather then just blurt them out in forums. (I dont feel like it now, probably other formites can guess some of the arguments i would come up with.)

Jasper, the point isn't so much how lame it is just making an assertion without backing it up, its that "you burned brain cells" isn't a counter-argument.

KM has probably ran off with his tail between his legs, and I'll probably get pounced on for being hard on the new guys again, so feel free jump in.

Yes, the market (capitalism?) is to blame about the oil prices. But there are other factors in it that i'd like to add to the discussion:

- US petroleum companies likes high prices. With Arab countries and sheiks, it's them who get more money with it, and most of the time they're both connected (isn't former president Bush, father of G. W. Bush a public relations of a petroleum company? Can't be more precise, but you can see what I mean if you saw "911 Fahrenheit").

- With the above factor, US president say they want to help Iraq, but after a 10 year s embargo to Iraq and 4 years "Vietnam" war in there, Iraq still don't produces oil, why?

- Oil is a finite resource. Every day there are less and less petroleum available and every day it cost more and more to extract it.

- Aggressive US politic towards Arab nations and flaming them with controversial and non-peaceful policies every day to be an interest of US (yes, I don't like Iran bomb, but I don't see US/UE doing anything right to change Iran regime or to help Iran people to change it, and invasion will not be a solution, only a continuation of the Iraq example).

All together, I find only natural the rise of oil price. By Christmas we'll have $100 dollars per barrel, and now I can't see anything to make it stop.

A few things might help a bit:

- US change its president (2009?)

- Active enforcement of ecological energy production and fighting pollution produced by oil (who spends more oil and pollutes more should pay more taxes?).

Of course, all this is a severe attack to US economy (and others). US spends billions of dollars in Defence just to be sure they get the oil they need (other countries have their economy based on oil, but only US have this imperialistic atitude to defend their interest and have profit with it).

Can you see the billion dollars US oil and auto industry accept an ecological solution without any lobby interest and without taking any actions not to apply this solution (including corruption)?

At the moment I don't see US taking good actions in this, and they were the first ones to introduce cleaner cars back in the '70s, but now they don't even want to accept Kyoto treaty.

I think that's the Carlyle Group you're thinking of.
Look into the Red Line Agreement. Iraq isn't meant to produce oil.

That's a myth. It's commonly reffered to as Peak Oil, and it's a scam.

That makes everyone involved richer. Seeing a pattern, yet? All this sabre rattling is great for the price of oil.

I don't see anything "natural" about it. It's clear manipulation. The oil industry is like the diamond industry. If they produced all they could, it would be worthless. Their interest is in running the price up, so that is what occurs.

I won't bother addressing your conclusions, since they're based on false assumptions. If they really wanted cheaper oil, they'd go get it, in our own territory. We don't fight for oil. We fight to keep the oil in the ground.

Ignore the man behind the curtain.

erm, why are you talking about a very old agreement of 1928? It was related with post world war one (but that's another discussion). Are you googling or you have this bookmarked? Where have you been since Iraq got it's independence and was producing oil? It was one of the top 10 oil producers before it was pulled out of the market (less production raises prices?).

oh, is it? So you surely believe that your car will be running with gas on 2050? Oil is a finite resource...

I can, but you don't, apparently...

You are clearly being manipulated, yeah.

So it's false assumption to think that US politicians are connected to the oil industry and are gaining all the profit they can, even if that costs the life of US citizens (soldiers) that want to fight for their country and for freedom (no, I don't believe they-re share holders). Well, you are really being a bit to much innocent in your readings or you're just looking to this by "Bush eyes".

I certainly don't expect that you understand my point, and I'm not attacking in any way the American people, just the way their politicians have been wrongly in Iraq, first with false reasons (massive destruction weapons, do you remember that propaganda?), and since then for the obscure reason: Iraq out of the oil market and US troops in Iraq is the cause of actual oil prices (apart of the "Peak Oil scam") and a good business either for US oil and war industry.

Anyway, I just wanted to say my point of view about this matter.