Tens of thousands of Iranians chant "death to Isreal" - Page 2

LordFu · 10-08-2007

Well, since you're unwilling, I'll cut the facts out of the article. It presents a factually accurate timeline.

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1)In the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, Tehran offered to help Washington overthrow the Taliban and establish a new political order in Afghanistan.

2)In his 2002 State of the Union address, President Bush announced that Iran was part of an "axis of evil," thereby scuttling any possibility of leveraging tactical cooperation over Afghanistan into a strategic opening.

3)In the spring of 2003 the Iranian Foreign Ministry sent Washington a detailed proposal for comprehensive negotiations to resolve bilateral differences. The document acknowledged that Iran would have to address concerns about its weapons programs and support for anti-Israeli terrorist organizations. It was presented as having support from all major players in Iran's power structure, including the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

4)The administration's response was to complain that the Swiss diplomats who passed the document from Tehran to Washington were out of line.

5)In October 2003, the Europeans got Iran to agree to suspend enrichment in order to pursue talks that might lead to an economic, nuclear and strategic deal.

5)The Bush administration refused to join the European initiative, ensuring that the talks failed.

6)A diplomatic resolution of the Iranian nuclear problem is still within reach.

MRiGnS · 10-08-2007

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Originally Posted by Big Dave

Since when was the kidnapping of another state's naval personnel, the usurpation of a foreign country's embassy and a (possibly idle) threat to wipe another country "off the map" a diplomatic call for open dialog?

I can't believe you presented an opinion piece as factual discourse.

What was prior to the incident with the embassy? They freed themselves of the dictator installed by the US.

Ok, you're not American, but all some of the American whackos, always say somthing, we would fight against our government etc bla bla if it would be too corruput. Well, That's what the Iranians did, but they are blamed for it.

The british sailors entered their territory, if not, there would already be war. The international complains of the British became very silent, suddenly.

You still don't get it, he never said to wipe isreal of the map, this term does not exist in the langague, it's just a false translation. They are protesting against the Israeli regime, not its people or jews.

Edward · 10-09-2007

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Originally Posted by MRiGnS

What was prior to the incident with the embassy? They freed themselves of the dictator installed by the US.

Ok, you're not American, but all some of the American whackos, always say somthing, we would fight against our government etc bla bla if it would be too corruput. Well, That's what the Iranians did, but they are blamed for it.

The british sailors entered their territory, if not, there would already be war. The international complains of the British became very silent, suddenly.

You still don't get it, he never said to wipe isreal of the map, this term does not exist in the langague, it's just a false translation. They are protesting against the Israeli regime, not its people or jews.

That's what the quote from President Tom was "... drive Israel into the sea."

Here's another "Iran doesn't have homosexuals, that phenomenon does not exist in Iran" I wonder what happens to homosexuals in Iran?

MRiGnS · 10-09-2007

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Originally Posted by Edward

That's what the quote from President Tom was "... drive Israel into the sea."

Here's another "Iran doesn't have homosexuals, that phenomenon does not exist in Iran" I wonder what happens to homosexuals in Iran?

He did say that with the homosexuals, but isn't that what every religious person in the west says too?

And no he did neither say drive them into the sea nor wipe them off the map.

This term does not exist in Farsi, he could not say this even if he wanted to, period. and it was a false translation by the media.

He said he wished the Israeli regime would have never existed.

He said nothing about the country, about its citizens or Jews (which live a good life in Iran).

It's the same Europeans say about the Bush administration, they wished it would never have happened.

LordFu · 10-09-2007

Iranian students call president dictator during scuffle | U.S. | Reuters

Not everyone in Iran likes or approves of their president. Our sabre-rattling does nothing but empower his political party, and gives them the excuse they need to crack down on dissent.

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Ahmadinejad's backers were trounced in local council polls in December, particularly in big urban centers like Tehran. His supporters face a new test in the March parliamentary election.

"I did not vote for him but I was not against him (in the 2005 presidential vote). If I was doubtful last time, I am completely sure this time that I will not vote for him," said a 22-year-old Tehran University student, asking not to be named.

MRiGnS · 10-09-2007

Quote sounds like some USAmericans prior to the '04 elections...

I bet he's going to be reelected anyway.

LordFu · 10-09-2007

The Big Lie: ‘Iran Is a Threat’ - CommonDreams.org

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The fact of the matter is that the “Iranian Threat” is derived solely from the rhetoric of those who appear to seek confrontation between the United States and Iran, and largely divorced from fact-based reality.

MRiGnS · 10-09-2007

hmm sorry for off-topic, but is there a non-fact reality?

Rasczak · 10-09-2007

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Originally Posted by MRiGnS

The british sailors entered their territory, if not, there would already be war. The international complains of the British became very silent, suddenly.

LOL, I love that logic. Sterling. How about, "if they had really done something wrong, Iran wouldn't have released them? Iran became very silent once the facts were out."

Rasczak · 10-09-2007

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Originally Posted by LordFu

Isn't that what the administration cheerleaders are doing by calling for an unprovoked war with Iran? We just make it sound more reasonable.

Huh? Who are these cheerleaders? What has the administration said in terms of calling for war with Iran?

MRiGnS · 10-09-2007

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Originally Posted by Rasczak

LOL, I love that logic. Sterling. How about, "if they had really done something wrong, Iran wouldn't have released them? Iran became very silent once the facts were out."

Yeah, sure, genius.

Iran is already threatened to be bombed back to stone age, and then they keep the sailors...

That would be suicide.

LordFu · 10-09-2007

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Originally Posted by Rasczak

Huh? Who are these cheerleaders? What has the administration said in terms of calling for war with Iran?

Really? If you want to pretend to be dense, I'll play along.

The cheerleaders are the usual suspects. Hannity, O'Reily, Limbaugh, etc., etc. The same voices that usually jump to the administrations defense, or in this case, offense. Your typical partisan hacks.

As for what the administration is "saying":

Think Progress » Top Cheney Aide: 2007 Is ‘The Year Of Iran,’ U.S. Attack ‘A Real Possibility’

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Some senior administration officials still relish the notion of a direct confrontation. One ambassador in Washington said he was taken aback when John Hannah, Vice President Cheney’s national security adviser, said during a recent meeting that the administration considers 2007 “the year of Iran” and indicated that a U.S. attack was a real possibility.

Informed Comment: Cheney & Iran: Here We Go Again? <p>

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They [the source's institution] have "instructions" (yes, that was the word used) from the Office of the Vice-President to roll out a campaign for war with Iran in the week after Labor Day; it will be coordinated with the American Enterprise Institute, the Wall Street Journal, the Weekly Standard, Commentary, Fox, and the usual suspects. It will be heavy sustained assault on the airwaves, designed to knock public sentiment into a position from which a war can be maintained. Evidently they don't think they'll ever get majority support for this--they want something like 35-40 percent support, which in their book is "plenty."

McClatchy Washington Bureau | 08/09/2007 | Cheney urging strikes on Iran

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Vice President Dick Cheney several weeks ago proposed launching airstrikes at suspected training camps in Iran run by the Quds force, a special unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, according to two U.S. officials who are involved in Iran policy.

Cheney pushes Bush to act on Iran | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited

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The vice-president, Dick Cheney, has long favoured upping the threat of military action against Iran. He is being resisted by the secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, and the defence secretary, Robert Gates.

FOXNews.com - U.S. Officials Begin Crafting Iran Bombing Plan - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

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Consequently, according to a well-placed Bush administration source, "everyone in town" is now participating in a broad discussion about the costs and benefits of military action against Iran, with the likely timeframe for any such course of action being over the next eight to 10 months, after the presidential primaries have probably been decided, but well before the November 2008 elections.

Bush setting America up for war with Iran - Telegraph

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Pentagon and CIA officers say they believe that the White House has begun a carefully calibrated programme of escalation that could lead to a military showdown with Iran.

Now it has emerged that Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state, who has been pushing for a diplomatic solution, is prepared to settle her differences with Vice-President Dick Cheney and sanction military action.

Cheney reportedly wants war with Iran

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A former official on the staff of U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney, has reportedly confirmed the vice president has been pushing for war with Iran.

David Wurmser, Principal Deputy Assistant to the Vice President for National Security Affairs since 2003, according to two knowledgeable sources, told a group of people Cheney was considering having Israel launch missile strikes on the Iranian nuclear site at Natanzto, to provoke Iran into lashing out.

I could go find some more, I'm sure.

Edward · 10-09-2007

I'll cheer!

Nuke em!

Rasczak · 10-09-2007

I'm waiting for Fu to show me where the administration has called for an unprovoked war on Iran. As for the "cheerleaders" - talk show hosts, I don't listen enough to know if any of them are blasting the airwaves "calling for an unprovoked war."

Its a little hard calling it unprovoked now anyway.

kevmartin · 10-09-2007

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Originally Posted by Rasczak

I'm waiting for Fu to show me where the administration has called for an unprovoked war on Iran. As for the "cheerleaders" - talk show hosts, I don't listen enough to know if any of them are blasting the airwaves "calling for an unprovoked war."

Its a little hard calling it unprovoked now anyway.

How has it been provoked? What exactly has Iran done to the USA to provoke a war? Or are we using the newly created Iraq precedent that pre-emptive striking is OK now? So as long as we can perceive (or invent) a possible future threat, it is OK to invade a sovereign nation?

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MRiGnS the wicked one Join Date: May 2007 Location: Saarbrücken, Germany Posts: 1,987	Re: Tens of thousands of Iranians chant "death to Isreal" Quote sounds like some USAmericans prior to the '04 elections... I bet he's going to be reelected anyway.
	regards, Julian my blog

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MRiGnS the wicked one Join Date: May 2007 Location: Saarbrücken, Germany Posts: 1,987	Re: Tens of thousands of Iranians chant "death to Isreal" hmm sorry for off-topic, but is there a non-fact reality?
	regards, Julian my blog

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Edward Eligible for a custom title Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 332	Re: Tens of thousands of Iranians chant "death to Isreal" I'll cheer! Nuke em!

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Rasczak Stirrer Of Shit Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oahu Posts: 3,951	Re: Tens of thousands of Iranians chant "death to Isreal" I'm waiting for Fu to show me where the administration has called for an unprovoked war on Iran. As for the "cheerleaders" - talk show hosts, I don't listen enough to know if any of them are blasting the airwaves "calling for an unprovoked war." Its a little hard calling it unprovoked now anyway.
	Eric "For whoever habitually suppresses the truth in the interests of tact will produce a deformity from the womb of his thought." -Sir Basil H. Liddel-Hart "How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."—Ronald Reagan http://self-composed.com