Truthiness on Young Black Males in Prison Cells vs. College Dorms

LordFu · 10-03-2007

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The Washington Post Fact Checker column is an invaluable source on the truthiness of campaign rhetoric. Democratic presidential hopefuls Barack Obama and John Edwards made headlines earlier this year with claims about the number of young black men in prison. As the Post Fact Checker recalls:

"The idea that we can keep incarcerating and keep incarcerating -- pretty soon we're not going to have a young African-American male population in America. They're all going to be in prison or dead. One of the two."
--John Edwards, MTV political forum, September 27, 2007

"We have more work to do when more young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America."
--Barrack Obama, NAACP forum, July 12, 2007.

According to the Fact Checker, these claims just ain't so. On Obama's college/prison claim:

According to 2005 Census Bureau statistics, the male African-American population of the United States aged between 18 and 24 numbered 1,896,000. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 106,000 African-Americans in this age group were in federal or state prisons at the end of 2005. See table 10 of this report. If you add the numbers in local jail (measured in mid-2006), you arrive at a grand total of 193,000 incarcerated young Black males, or slightly over 10 percent.

According to the same census data, 530,000 of these African-American males, or twenty eight percent, were enrolled in colleges or universities (including two-year-colleges) in 2005. That is five times the number of young black men in federal and state prisons and two and a half times the total number incarcerated. If you expanded the age group to include African-American males up to thirty or thirty five, the college attendees would still outnumber the prisoners.

Reason Magazine - Hit & Run > Truthiness on Young Black Males in Prison Cells vs. College Dorms

Let me just say, ahahahahaha. Seriously, who writes this crap for them?

And, since we're talking about canidates, Ron Paul has some choice words about collectivists and racism.

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In fact it is the federal government more than anything else that divides us along race, class, religion, and gender lines. Government, through its taxes, restrictive regulations, corporate subsidies, racial set-asides, and welfare programs, plays far too large a role in determining who succeeds and who fails in our society. This government "benevolence" crowds out genuine goodwill between men by institutionalizing group thinking, thus making each group suspicious that others are receiving more of the government loot. This leads to resentment and hostility between us.

The political left argues that stringent federal laws are needed to combat racism, even as they advocate incredibly divisive collectivist policies.

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist.

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct our sins, we should understand that racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty.

Government and Racism by Ron Paul

Jasper84 · 10-03-2007

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Originally Posted by Government and Racism by Ron Paul

By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. ...
The true antidote to racism is liberty.

Just because racism is a group mentality, does not mean that group mentality is a bad thing.
Total lack of the collectivism 'group mentality' aka pure individualism would be horrible. It would be a world filled with backstabbing bastards. It is not ethical not to help each other out.

You could ask yourself where to draw the line of the group; well, how about
just presence of mind.. In most cases it is not that hard. As for one you could help out where people progress from it; demanding that they also take part in working towards solutions of problems, and realism. (For instance people without jobs only get social security if they apply for a job weekly.)

LordFu · 10-03-2007

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Total lack of the collectivism 'group mentality' aka pure individualism would be horrible. It would be a world filled with backstabbing bastards. It is not ethical not to help each other out.

I believe Paul's arguement is that the Federal Government should not be in the business of dividing people into groups and treating said groups differently. The Constitution would support that. I don't believe he was arguing for absolute individualism.