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| Interested participant Join Date: Sep 2007
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| This issue concerns me greatly. It has the potential to involve conflict with India, China and Russia on one side with the Western Nations on the other. Although these countries are not backing the atrocities being committed in Burma they are not likely to be very happy if the western countries intervene. Some current stories about what is happening. Satellite photos may prove abuses in Myanmar, researchers say Mystery surrounds U.N. envoy in Myanmar Burmese monks 'to be sent away' Monks missing as bustle returns There are many more stories. |
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| Interested participant Join Date: Sep 2007
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| A couple of other relevant stories Groups Struggle to Tally Myanmar's Dead Internet blackout in Myanmar stalls citizen reporting |
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| I see the Fnords. | Government out of control, as usual. Where's the U.N.? They're useless. |
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| Stirrer Of Shit | What are the two sides fighting/protesting about? I haven't been following this story very closely, and its hard to find anything on the underlying reason for the conflict. Why do journalists write stories like this? It's like when they say "a truck ran over three children today in a crowded market" as if the truck was just out tooling around with no driver on its own accord. All you basically get out of the coverage of this is "military are being mean to protestors and monks" without a lot of details about what is actually fueling the conflict. |
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| Administrator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| Its a complicated issue but the main core of it are a really bad economy and an overturned general election. This is a quote from a Seattle Times Article. Quote:
This particular series of protests were sparked by this Myanmar's petrol price hike stops buses in Yangon - Summary Its my understanding that this response to protests back in August prompted the monks to get involved in the hope of protecting the protesters which unfortunately seems to have backfired. 13 activists arrested for protesting against hike in petrol costs However, this is obviously a very complicated political situation and I'm probably in danger of oversimplifying it. | |
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| Monkey King Join Date: May 2007
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| Eric "For whoever habitually suppresses the truth in the interests of tact will produce a deformity from the womb of his thought." -Sir Basil H. Liddel-Hart http://self-composed.com | |
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| under construction | I very much admire the peacefull protest. It sucks that it wont work, the generals are just too ruthless. I am afraid that peacefull revolution by the people only worked for Ghandi, because the English were confronted by the 'ungentlemanly' nature of the occupation of India. These generals dont value this notion. I think we should intervene. I guess the larger neighbouring do not like it, but we will have to take that rich. (Perhaps the smaller ones are more friendly.) I bet we can just scare most of the regime off, offering them exile. Also, this time, the local culture should be taken into account. (Learn from Iraq) Ethnic tensions might well be much lower then in Iraq, but lets not take chances. For instance I read that there exiled opposition, many of those would have valueable knowledge on how a new government in the country could work. (Unseating the current government is less then half the work.) |
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| Eric "For whoever habitually suppresses the truth in the interests of tact will produce a deformity from the womb of his thought." -Sir Basil H. Liddel-Hart http://self-composed.com | |
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| Administrator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| All valid points Rasczak. Also the biggest problem is China. If they feel any 'invasion' infringes on their territory we could find ourselves in the Middle of World War III. I'm not saying we shouldn't do something but its a very fragile and delicate situation. Going in without consideration of all the issues would do more harm than good. A lot of people feel that peaceful opposition may be effective. I got this by email from a friend a couple of days ago. Careful if you are posting it anywhere though as they are against spamming of any kind. Stand with the Burmese Protesters Essentially its a petition to the president of China asking him to intervene. He's really the only one with the power to do so without causing conflict. |
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| Administrator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| Don't forget China are currently trying to change their image with the rest of the world. The Olympic games are coming up and thats a lot of money for them. Its actually a very effective time to put public pressure on them. |
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| Stirrer Of Shit | The only justificatoin for intervening is if we can catch Osama Bin Laden there or we know they have WMDs they're going to use on us. To me it just looks like innocent people being oppressed and killed - none of our business. |
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Errr, neither Iraq nor Afghanistan hat WMDs and Bin Laden is probably sitting in some cave behind the Pakistani border. So Myanmar qualifies 100%: No WMDs: check! No Bin Laden: check! | |
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| Eric "For whoever habitually suppresses the truth in the interests of tact will produce a deformity from the womb of his thought." -Sir Basil H. Liddel-Hart http://self-composed.com | |
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| under construction | I agree that it would need much more consideration, but i still think help should be offered. It could well be a peacefull revolution is the better option to try. Perhaps i am just a bit frustrated that the whole thing seems to be in vane. Quote:
I guess the UN would stop us from interfering. On the other hand, the UN did not stop the Iraq war, so that could make the UN an organization that prevent missions to improve the world and lets through missions to earn a buck? (Just make something up, or use some rule that many countries break, and make it seem more important then it is.) Anyway, considering China, it probably is not a good idea to intervene. Quote:
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