If you watch the video I linked, you could answer those questions, yourself. Nice strawman, though. Just because something is common practice, doesn't make it good.

I find it highly disturbing that we send in the Haz-Mat team when a kid breaks a thermometer at school, yet we don't question the wisdom of putting it in our mouths. I agree, that is a problem.

I actually read the instructions on a tube of Commercial Flouridated Toothpaste one day: "....children under 5 should not swallow the toothpaste." Oh really? .......and 5.1? 5.3? 5.8? Any advance on 5.8?

There is absolutely no publicity about this.

Indeed. It is exactly the same as saying "curiosity killed the cat!" The "feeling" or the "common sense" around this statement is "STFU, or you will become unhappy, you will lose your ignorance (meaning bliss) and you will be sorry you did, because everybody knows that ordinary people should not be curious!"

It is not however where the statement comes from, but it serves to clarify my point. Namely: the Conspiracy Theory stares us in the face every day "everyone" knows it's true. "everyone" knows how it works and "everyone" knows the objective of the statement because "everyone" knows that it cannot be proven.

It is very deflating.
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There is only one conspiracy that permeates the whole of modernized (or modernizing) society:.........MONEY.

I think a good test to see if putting fluoride in drinking water is bad for you would be:

Have a look at the countries that are ( or were ) doing the fluoridating, and see how much bottled water they drink!

Could it be said that fluoridation leads to a lack of maturity, or rather, the chance of experiencing maturity? Don't aluminium related illness' bring about premature senile dementure and other such related traits?

To save our teeth.

I think I live in a fluoride free area and my teeth are fine.

on the subject of bad things to make yo better (indirecectly) have any of you ever looked at ingredients in cosmetics?

As i work in cosmetics (natrul jsut for the record) i have to know these things.

Vasceline, you know that thing for thelips, Is100% pettrolium jelly, Also known as the waste from petrol. And most other cosmetic products are jam packed with preservatives, which by definition kill bacteria, and not just bad bacteria. THere are millions of similar ones to the vasceline jsut that is the most commonly known one.

Justworth looking at the stuff you use, in the UK if a product is natral on the ingredients label it has to be in latin, it may also be in english aswell. Just worth checking.

feel free to ask any specifics i will help were i can

As is almost every drug used in medicine today. When was the last time you declined medical treatment due to that?

Hell, forget fluoride. Even consuming water in a large enough volume will kill you.

There is no magical chemical called "fluoride." Chemistry 101: a fluoride is simply a compound which contains the element fluorine (similar to chlorine and iodine, note the ending -ine on the names).

Not all fluorides are toxic. The sodium fluoride usually included in toothpaste is toxic, but only in relatively high quantities - levels of fluoride in toothpaste is measured in PPM, parts per million. You'd need to swallow a truck-load of toothpaste to kill yourself - the shear volume would kill you before the fluoride toxicity would.

Jesus. I'm sorry if this insults anyone, but it is just amazing that anyone still believes fluoride is anything but toxic. Even among a group of supposedly intelligent people on a forum like this, it is debated rather than clearly understood. This shows the power of propaganda, denial, and misplaced trust.

The toxic chemical fluorosilicic acid is from the waste products of smoke stacks and industrial incinerators. This is mislabeled "fluoride" and dumped in drinking water. This material often contains arsenic, heavy metals, and other toxins as well as "fluoride".

The fluoride movement was actually one of the things that made me take a deeper look at corporate power, and conclude that it was in fact deliberately malicious. This is no accident or misunderstanding. It was the fluoride connection that helped me to find and investigate the connection between many of today's corporations and Nazis.

Fluoride was added to the water in German POW camps. Why? To make the prisoners DOCILE and STUPID. Gee, why would you want a docile and stupid population of Americans???

Other chemicals added to drinks like soda, such as aspartame (approved against medical advice thanks to the CEO and neocon/fascist Donald Rumsfeld) raise similar, serious health questions.

Fluoride also accumulates in and blocks the pineal gland, which is a very important organ in the brain. It's function is not fully understood, but is related to higher states of consciousness. It produces the so-called 'spirit molecule' DMT. This is probably the source of the comment about stopping people from seeing aliens.

Here is some in-depth info on so-called "fluoride"...
informationliberation - The Fluoride Conspiracy

Reading the comments in this thread and the widespread ignorance just convinces me yet again that Americans are dooming themselves to total enslavement. Not too bright, people. Not too bright at all. But drink what you will. And trust those corporations and govt agencies to mind your health. I'm sure that's a wise move. Yeah.

I might add that bottled water is not a very good solution. Many bottled water brands are worse than tap water - and less regulated. They sometimes contain high amounts of fluoride.

The best filter is a reverse-osmosis system. Or you can get a countertop fluoride+carbon filter that attaches to the kitchen sink, like this one...
H2oFilters.Com CounterTop Water Filter with Doulton UltraCarb Ceramic Filter and Fluoride Filter - Fluoride Reducing Filters

You don't want to drink tap water anyway. There are many other issues beyond just fluoride. Having a decent filter is a good idea.

As for cavities, if anything fluoride creates more. The best solution is a healthy diet, low on processed starches. Your teeth absorb nutrients from your food. This is what prevents cavities, not adding industrial waste to your water.

EUR-Lex - Simple search
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I suppose all of those European cities that have stopped using it are all conspiracy theorists as well

I consider this Darwinism at it's best though. If you are dumb enough to pollute your body then you deserve what you get. Nobody is forcing us to drink the city water so I am not that worried about it... for myself at least.

I think it is bad for us... but not to the extreme. Sort of similar to how in europe they install ozone systems in the pools instead of using chlorine... because chlorine is another chemical that is bad and irritating (although i wouldn't say outright lethal) . It is just better to get rid of this stuff because there are simple and better alternatives (like no fluoride) .

I see you take no time to mention the modern name for IG Farben? There appears to be plenty of evidence of collaboration through even the Bush family with this company? ( 2 generations before Bush Junior was President in the 30's, 40's and 50's .) They were invested in the funding for the instigation of WW2, to the building of Auswitz and the Gas Chambers (BASF and Hoesh also). (These are all German companies, as is Saarbrucken a German place - the bridge over the river Saar. )

The Codex in EUROPA above is a "gag" law for anyone that disagrees with the policies of the above companies. The same kind of Codex was used through Helmut Kohl in the 90's to stop people getting Vitamins and health information. Herr Kohl was on the payrole of the above companies to try and crush the public on this one.

Matthias Rath MD (Doctor of Medicine) will give you ample facts on this.

Back to IG Farben: They are the owners of an enormous chemical dump near Opladen in Germany. The dump became so famous that they had to cover it up, which they did with a town. They called that town Leverkusen: IG Farbens name obviously being BAYER, as in the football legends "Bayer Leverkusen." The company Dynamit ( Dynamite )Nobel from Leverkusen Manfort (a couple of k's from Leverkusen central) are also guilty of using the area for a dumping ground from their explosives manufacture. Parts of the outskirts of Leverkusen are restricted to this day due to toxins.

The river Wupper which runs through Opladen to Leverkusen, directly past the Bayer (IG Farben) factory and straight into the river Rhine is also notoriously polluted as the river runs past another Bayer factory further upstream in Wuppertal ( Hence the river Wupper). The local population will not go anywhere near this water, even for paddling in this hottest weather. There are no fish or Anglers to be found from Wuppertal, through Opladen, to Leverkusen and into the Rhine.

Interestingly, all the directors of Bayer (IG Farben) until the late 70's, were ex-members of the Nazi Party. So lets not get the "IG Farben - founded 1924" and "Bayer" mixed up as two different companies eh!

What is you opinion of the above? And I do mean "your" opinion, not some grandiose "Gag Order."

I guess you never read my post then. I've been over this before.

That's somewhat of a fallacy. Large doses of fluorides (mostly as the sodium salt, sodium fluoride) were added to the drinking water of POWs, as they believed it to cause lethargy. Fluoride ions are thought to block acetylcholine receptors in the brain due to similar actions that have been observed with studies on the peripheral nerves, although nothing has ever been proved conclusively. The concentrations present in drinking water today are far lower; the effect on the brain has never been measured as anything above non-existant.

Much of that has to do with genetic defects which cause phenylketonuria, an inability of the body to remove the amino acid phenylalanine from the body, which accumulates and can cause brain damage. Aspartame is a dipeptide; that is, two amino acids joined together by a peptide bond (the other amino acid being aspartic acid, if I remember correctly).

Minute trace amounts of aspartame have also been shown to be turned into methanol (a compound very similar to ethanol, which is the alcohol humans drink recreationally) in the small intestine. Methanol in high quantities can cause blindness, brain damage and even death, but is quickly converted into formaldehyde in the body, which is also a byproduct of the metabolism of ethanol. You would need to consume some seriously high quantities of aspartame to cause any damage by this method; the intolerance to aspartame in phenylketonuria sufferers is far more dangerous.

Dimethyltryptamine is a seriously loopy drug. It has nothing to do with this.

Now where did I put my eye-rolling smilie?

Oh, here it is.

You're speaking with an imaginary voice of authority, but really you are just regurgitating propaganda and conventional medical knowledge (from flawed studies funded by the very corporations we're talking about).

Ask the people of New Mexico about aspartame and how wonderful it is. There is plenty of research on its real effects now, so there is no need for me to repeat it. The state of New Mexico tried to ban it because the evidence is so obvious, and the resistance they encountered from the corporate sector as well as the federal govt is telling indeed.

Does it make you feel good that you make excuses for people who poison the masses?

And is there ANY authority figure that you've ever questioned in your life about anything? Every view you hold seems to be 'official denial'.

I would say you understate the health consequences, cancers among them. These are cumulative and long-term effects. There are reasons for the growing cancers and diseases in the modern world. There are reasons for why people have organs removed on a regular basis. It's not just 'the way it is'.

This also affects the entire culture, not merely the people drinking the fluoride. The health costs and damage are shared by all. Children are fed this by unwitting parents before they have the wisdom to make their own choices.

But I have no simple solution to the denial and ignorance. It is so pervasive it is mind-boggling. People will argue to be poisoned - anything to continue believing in their authorities. Avoids having to think for themselves. So to some extent, it must simply run its course. Consequences eventually assert themselves, but it is a painful and slow way to learn a simple lesson which is directly observable.

I apologise for having a sound knowledge of simple medicine. It would be stupid to let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory, huh?

The federal government has no fiscal incentive to ensure the continued legality of aspartame in New Mexico. There are many alternatives to aspartame (Splenda, for example). If you think that the State of New Mexico is still being poisoned by aspartame so that whichever corporation that produces it can continue to do so, you're being naive.

Tell me, how do you think the tobacco and alcohol beverage industries should be legally moderated? I'm sure more people die from small-cell lung cancer or a road accident involving a drunk driver than aspartame-related deaths each year.

Free enterprise. People chose what to put through their bodies, and if it kills them, tough luck for them. There are warning labels on packets of cigarettes; if you ignore them, start/continue smoking and then contract cancer, you'll be getting no sympathy from me.

Absolutely. But I, unlike you, feel no compulsion to blame every injustice in the world on the government.

Very interesting account.

I've encountered the evils of the Bayer corporation. They are also involved in reckless genetically modified crops, as well as other questionable practices. With their left hand they make people ill, and with their right hand they offer them pharmaceuticals. Quite a racket.

Add to this the conspiracy to discredit and outlaw natural remedies and even vitamins, which produce genuine health, and you have nothing short of evil.

There are some growing signs of awareness. Organic food has grown wildly despite the formidable resistance against it. Use of natural remedies is also growing (which is why Europe nearly outlawed them in the CODEX). Bad for business to have healthy people, especially with access to unpatentable remedies.

But as you can see in this thread, ignorance wins the day in many circles, especially (ironically) among the so-called educated. Any questioning of official conclusions is dismissed as "conspiracy theory". People are told what to think and they think it. Throw in a little misinformation from the priests (scientists) and it's The Word Of God.

Me, I'll have my water without the industrial wastes added, thanks. Organic fruits and vegetables rich in nutrients, hold the neurotoxins and genetic profit modifications. Natural herbs and remedies in use for centuries - effective and gentle on the body. Air free of pollutants. Imagine that. I'm so radical.

Actually the Saar and the Wupper are now rather clean and fishing has become usual there again. What you posted talks about the situation in the 70s and since then 30 years have passed. The Wupper back then was one of the most polluted rivers in Europe.

Swimming in the Saar was allowed again in the mid 90s and the fish population is growing.

The water quality is observed by many non-profit organisations and the law for drinking water and river in Germany became the strictest and most rigid in the world.

"Simple" does not begin to describe it.