Socialism in the United States - Page 2

MRiGnS · 07-11-2007

the goal of marxism is to dispose the government in the end and give the power to the people.

there was never any real socialism in the world as the famous "socialists" were dictators all along and only claimed exercising socialism.

socialism is the perfect form of society but humanity is not ready yet as egoism and hatred are still the engine of mankind.

Capitalism will fail in the end when the proletariat will stand up to dispose iniquity.

seisen · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by LordFu

Hitler was elected. How'd that turn out? Go Socialist Democracy! Socialists always want to gloss over history, but this is the legacy of socialism. China, Russia, Germany, Peru, and the list goes on and on.

A strong centralized government, democratic or not, will not and cannot serve the people. All it provides is an easier avenue for tyrants and despots to seize the reigns of control. That is why "there is no real method of people changing how things are done". Once you construct a system of control on that level, there's nothing to stop it. It's a run-away train. What will it take to prove it?

So was George Bush, your point? Then if you don't like socialism open a new thread and we can also discuss what type of political system you think would work in the United States.

seisen · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by MRiGnS

the goal of marxism is to dispose the government in the end and give the power to the people.

there was never any real socialism in the world as the famous "socialists" were dictators all along and only claimed exercising socialism.

socialism is the perfect form of society but humanity is not ready yet as egoism and hatred are still the engine of mankind.

Capitalism will fail in the end when the proletariat will stand up to dispose iniquity.

I was wondering when you were going to enter this discussion.

bns · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by MRiGnS

Capitalism will fail in the end when the proletariat will stand up to dispose iniquity.

I would say capitalism has already failed. That is, if you measure in terms of producing an egalitarian society.

PWill · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by seisen

So was George Bush, your point?

The people have the legal authority to dispose of him as a leader through impeachment. If anyone tried to impeach Hitler, they would be in a concentration camp before you could say "socialism fails"

seisen · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by PWill

The people have the legal authority to dispose of him as a leader through impeachment. If anyone tried to impeach Hitler, they would be in a concentration camp before you could say "socialism fails"

Then why isn't he being impeached than?

MRiGnS · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by PWill

The people have the legal authority to dispose of him as a leader through impeachment. If anyone tried to impeach Hitler, they would be in a concentration camp before you could say "socialism fails"

what has this to do with Hitler? He killed and/or send socialists along with communists in concentration camps.

Stop calling him a socialist.

PWill · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by MRiGnS

what has this to do with Hitler? He killed and/or send socialists along with communists in concentration camps.

Stop calling him a socialist.

National Socialist German Workers Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He ran as one.

PWill · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by seisen

Then why isn't he being impeached than?

Because you haven't called your Representatives yet! Get on it! I've called mine.

bns · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by PWill

National Socialist German Workers Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He ran as one.

So all the Democrats are in favor of democracy? Seriously? Labels do not imply ideology.

seisen · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by PWill

Because you haven't called your Representatives yet! Get on it! I've called mine.

Bullshit I already have called.

PWill · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by seisen

Bullshit I already have called.

Call again. Organize a protest. You have the right, and the responsibility as a defender of liberty

PWill · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by bns

So all the Democrats are in favor of democracy? Seriously? Labels do not imply ideology.

Hitler was a Socialist, not a socialist.

MRiGnS · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by PWill

National Socialist German Workers Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He ran as one.

I know the NSDAP

he ran as a candidate of the NSDAP and not of the socialists.

national socialists != socialists

stop being naive and go take some history lessons.

The party of the elderly in Germany is called the grey panthers but they are no cats, whooooot!?

It's just a name, just compare his policies with the party of german socialists and communist party of germany

He killed or put them into jail after banning them.

My grandparents where put into jail by the PNF and NSDAP for being socialists and communists.

MRiGnS · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by PWill

Hitler was a Socialist, not a socialist.

wtf

PWill · 07-11-2007

No need to insult, MRiGnS, I was saying that he was a member of the Socialist party, not that he followed the socialist political ideologies.
The same way that George Bush is a Republican, but does not follow conservative ideologies.

bns · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by PWill

No need to insult, MRiGnS, I was saying that he was a member of the Socialist party, not that he followed the socialist political ideologies.
The same way that George Bush is a Republican, but does not follow conservative ideologies.

I agree, which makes your previous post irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by PWill

He ran as one.

MRiGnS · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by PWill

I was saying that he was a member of the Socialist party

No, he wasn't. Just stop telling these false statements. He banned the socialist party.

PWill · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by MRiGnS

No, he wasn't. Just stop telling these false statements. He banned the socialist party.

Adolf Hitler was a member of the National Socialist German Workers Party.

Adolf Hitler was not a socialist.

Can we quit arguing semantics now, and get back to the real debate?

MRiGnS · 07-11-2007

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Originally Posted by PWill

Adolf Hitler was a member of the National Socialist German Workers Party.

Adolf Hitler was not a socialist.

Can we quit arguing semantics now, and get back to the real debate?

neither was his party.

You started this...

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MRiGnS the wicked one Join Date: May 2007 Location: Saarbrücken, Germany Posts: 1,987	Re: Socialism in the United States the goal of marxism is to dispose the government in the end and give the power to the people. there was never any real socialism in the world as the famous "socialists" were dictators all along and only claimed exercising socialism. socialism is the perfect form of society but humanity is not ready yet as egoism and hatred are still the engine of mankind. Capitalism will fail in the end when the proletariat will stand up to dispose iniquity.
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PWill Liberty or Death Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 330	Re: Socialism in the United States No need to insult, MRiGnS, I was saying that he was a member of the Socialist party, not that he followed the socialist political ideologies. The same way that George Bush is a Republican, but does not follow conservative ideologies.
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