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Old 07-11-2007   #21 (permalink)
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Trust me, I'm no fan of Congress - see my sig. But in all fairness, they decide on all laws and policy of that sort. Who do you suggest should decide on what type of medical care and pay they get?

I really don't see the problem with this is. I have an open mind tho - I love to hate Congressmen - someone tell me why this is such a bad thing. Don't just suggest its unfair, tell me how it is unfair.

And they are responsible to "we the people." The problem is, "we the people" don't hold them responsible. For exhibit A, I will point you to the district that elected a man who had already been caught red handed taking a bribe and had the evidence in his freezer.
They're sorta responsible to the people. Most people can get fired immediately if they do something stupid, but congressmen can only get fired once every 2 or 6 years.

I wouldn't strictly say that it's unfair. And I'm not sure who should be making that decision because there really isn't anybody there to do it. But I do think it's a little off that they write their own paychecks.
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Not everything about our government's services are broken.
Just because you see that one aspect of the health care system works well for you, really means nothing when it is clear that other parts don't work well for vast numbers of people. The system as a whole is definitely "broken".
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Just because you see that one aspect of the health care system works well for you, really means nothing when it is clear that other parts don't work well for vast numbers of people. The system as a whole is definitely "broken".
Also he has never been to the Cleveland VA hospital either.
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Also he has never been to the Cleveland VA hospital either.
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They're sorta responsible to the people. Most people can get fired immediately if they do something stupid, but congressmen can only get fired once every 2 or 6 years.

I wouldn't strictly say that it's unfair. And I'm not sure who should be making that decision because there really isn't anybody there to do it. But I do think it's a little off that they write their own paychecks.
Who should write thier paychecks then? The president? As a people, we write them when we elect them. But I submit we don't hold them responsible.

On another note, I'm beginning to think the problem with Congress isn't that they're paid too much, its that they're paid too little. Basically, all they get as a reward for their "service" is power. Ergo, the pool of potential candidates for congressional seats is populated mainly by people seeking power. They aren't signing up for the health care plan.
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Who should write thier paychecks then? The president? As a people, we write them when we elect them. But I submit we don't hold them responsible.

On another note, I'm beginning to think the problem with Congress isn't that they're paid too much, its that they're paid too little. Basically, all they get as a reward for their "service" is power. Ergo, the pool of potential candidates for congressional seats is populated mainly by people seeking power. They aren't signing up for the health care plan.
Do you want the reason for people to run for an office to run for because they want to get money?
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Do you want the reason for people to run for an office to run for because they want to get money?
In a sense, yes. I want to widen the pool of perspective candidates, which in turn will create more competition, and give the people a broader selection to choose from, rather than just the people who want power.

Thanks for asking, I appreciate the chance to re-clarify.
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Who should write thier paychecks then? The president? As a people, we write them when we elect them. But I submit we don't hold them responsible.

On another note, I'm beginning to think the problem with Congress isn't that they're paid too much, its that they're paid too little. Basically, all they get as a reward for their "service" is power. Ergo, the pool of potential candidates for congressional seats is populated mainly by people seeking power. They aren't signing up for the health care plan.
Bribes, kickbacks etc..........
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On another note, I'm beginning to think the problem with Congress isn't that they're paid too much, its that they're paid too little. Basically, all they get as a reward for their "service" is power. Ergo, the pool of potential candidates for congressional seats is populated mainly by people seeking power. They aren't signing up for the health care plan.
That's just nuts. They get enough money that the people who really want to change things aren't discouraged from running. But I don't think the problem is that they're paid too much in salary; it's the kick-backs and bribes that are the real problem.
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In a sense, yes. I want to widen the pool of perspective candidates, which in turn will create more competition, and give the people a broader selection to choose from, rather than just the people who want power.

Thanks for asking, I appreciate the chance to re-clarify.
Unfortunately, it still gets narrowed down to only two.
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That's just nuts. They get enough money that the people who really want to change things aren't discouraged from running. But I don't think the problem is that they're paid too much in salary; it's the kick-backs and bribes that are the real problem.
I would add to this the pospects of future employment. I also think many of these more temporary officials are corporate lawyers looking to sway legislation for lobbyists. I'm not so convinced pay is either a problem or a benefit in most cases.
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