Proof of what?

What are Christians doing today in the name of their religion that resembles what Islamic fascist fanatics are doing in the name of their religion?

YouTube - George W. Bush Interview (Irish TV)

Your president thinks god gave him the task to do the war on Iraq to bring them our western culture.

I you don't call that a crusade I don't know what.

And I make it clear I can't stand it that you are calling them animals just like you're a superior being... how sich is that?

LOL, huh?

You are comparing people going to large churches to jihadists strapping on bomb belts and blowing themself up to kill innocent civilians?

You have serious issues. I know you really would like a moral equivelancy type argument to work, but it simply doesn't, and when you try to make it work, you appear very, very, very silly.

So bombing their countries because god gave you the order to do so isn't stupid? Ok, then I'm sorry.

I'm trying to remember if I've ever called jihadists animals on this forum. I don't think so. If I have, I'll stand by it. Strapping a bomb belt on a child and sending him off to blow up innocent people is animalistic behavior. The only problem I have with calling them animals is it give animals a bad name.

And yes, I am superior to these kind of creatures that do that by light years. So are you.

actually you called the people in the Orient animals not only the Jihadists.

Sound like xenophobia to me.

You still didn't said something about god supposed giving your administration the order cleansing the orient.

Ok, you keep trying to make the same point disguised as a question over and over, and have completely ignored my post. Christians in the Western World are in a different stage of social and economic development to Islamists in the Middle East; this is bound to cause serious problems and confrontations and there is no easy way to tackle the problem. We just have to accept it and try to keep situation under control.

hmm sound like you're implying we're on a higher stage of social evolution.

I don't think this as easy to compare as this. cultures develop in different ways not on one single line.

Link it.



Was that the interview where the reporter was trying to get Bush to say God told him to do something? I can't watch it right now, I'm at work.

Even if he has said "God told me to...." that is nowhere near comparable to suicide bombing, treating women like cattle, cutting the clitoris off little girls, etc.

Hell yeah they are stuck in the middle ages. That does not excuse them for doing what they do or make it less than a problem. They need to be stopped.

I prefer to compare the Muslim Jihadists that are corrupting their religion to perform it, and not the other Muslims performing it, to the KKK of the US; a Christian org.

It grew and flourished through politically charged terrorist tactics and with a boogieman to target Blacks Jews, anyone different. and it took a very volatile social movement to change it during its reign. It still exists today but only through very the basic fear, hate, and bigotry it thrives on. The political connotations are, smoldering in some areas, and dead in others.

Measure the bigotry in each sects to find the terrorist roots, free the religion of its diseases and then please, come do the same to our Christians! Then what… India’s and Pakistan’s! Lets investigate and disarm bigotry.

http://socialdiscussion.com/middle-e...html#post68708

one link, searching for the others (there are many threads and posts on this forum so it will take a while though)

have you read the Quran? So show me the part where it says to cut of little girls' clitorises



What renders us superior? That we served in the military trying to bring "freedom" and western culture, coke and decadence to their homes?

Mission accomplished!

We the west and especially the US made them to what they are by supporting dictatorships and criminals in the Orient.

We supported Bin Laden, we supported the Iran, we support Pakistans, Egypts and Saudi Arabias dictatorships. Eventually replacing proper democracy with criminals we like.

And now you're complaining about them trying to fight us? to free their homes of the crusade of the west?

I don't say it's good what suicide bombers are doing, it's disgusting and without dignity but it's the reaction to the suffocation we brought them.

I think you like Star Wars as you refered to it in the other thread.

We are the Empire and they are the rebels. There is no good and evil in war, there are just different points of view.

We are killing them and they are killing us? So they are the evil? because of what? because you say so? get hold of yourself.

fighting bigotry with bigotry.

You accused me of calling all Arabs animals. In that thread I called the people attacking Israel animals. They blow up pizza parlor, strap bomb vests on little kids. Calling them animals gives animals a bad name. Get your shit straight.



Take that up with the Muslims who carry out the practice.


No. That we don't cut clitorisis off little girls, we don't chop women's fingers off when we catch them wearing nail polish, we don't make women wear a bag over their heads to cover their face, we let people choose who they want to marry, we don't stone gay people to death for being gay, we don't strap bomb vests on little kids and send them to blow themselves up along with innocent civilians, we don't force people to convert to our religion. Shall I go on?

Right now there's a young woman in Saudi Arabia who was a nanny that faces execution by decapitation because a baby choked to death while she was feeding it.

There was another woman who was gang raped and beaten half to death. Afterwards, she was charged with the crime of being alone with another man.

The list goes on endlessly. Yep, I'm superior. If nothing else, because I believe people should be free to do and say what they want - to practice what religion they want, or practice none at all. That makes me superior.

trapped.

Yeah right, in Saudi Arabia just like you said, the regime supported by the US and one of it's allies.

ooooh we want to bring them freedom and democracy, BULLSHIT.


So you are superior to them because your country does support their country and its leaders! nice, reasoning btw.

You support them in killing gays, killing women for being raped!

But hey, just bomb the only secular country in the region! that has to be the solution.

And what are you doing now? supporting different militias in the Iraqi civil war, yay, don't help them stop, let's support them in killing them faster!

The bomb vests of the Sunni suicide bombers in Iraq are made of american explosives which your administration gave them to fight the shi'its, the main diversion of Islam in Iran.

no, you give their kids the bomb vests and your own MGs to kill the civilians, oh and the internationally banned cluster grenades. Only the US and Israel keep on using them.

"Well we don't throw them onto civilians, we only throw them near them! If they move and die it's their fault!"

Do you just keep making stuff up as you go along? You still haven't retracted your xenophobe ad hominem attack.

you are just avoiding the facts, trying to nullify your own statements, that's poor.

Sounds to me like we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. If we remove a dictator who's killed more Muslims than anyone else on earth, we're bad. If we make nice with a Muslim country with barbaric practices and nudge them towards doing what is right, we're bad.

Whatever. The thread is about whether Muslim jihadists present a problem. I've shown they do. You've shown an ability to sling shit at the wall hoping for something to stick, and the complete inability to stay on topic.

You going to address the false accusation you made earlier? Or just keep changing the subject?

This in ontopic.

You claim to be superior but are supporting the jihadists with weapons and explosives.

I showed your own statements and you still pretend haven't said anything.

I posted the imho reasons for all of this while you have nothing said besides, they are evil, they are animals, an we are good.

have you anything posted which was a benefit to this thread?

you just keep on calling them names.

Most Muslims actually do not strap on bombs. Most of them do not cut out clitorises. (Read somewhere are variants of that, some only removing the tip of the cover of the clitoris.) Many of them do not actually cover the head totally. I am sure many do have arranged marriages and such. But i do not think invading them is an option by a long shot.

I think we should not support them while they do things like this, but we should definitely keep things on a peaceful and respectful basis. Hopefully we can export some of the better aspects of our society, and not forget our own problems by pointing to those of others. That is what they do too, you know; pointing at our overgrown individualism and consumerism, bad aspects of government.(As well as aspects we actually like about ourselves.)

Also i would like to point out how unpractical an aggressive approach is:
Iraq: 26.8 M ppl
Afghanistan: 31.9 M ppl
Iran: 70.5 M ppl
Pakistan: 156.8 M ppl
Appearances sometimes make it seem rather too nice. However, for instance, I could well imagine being for aiding Afghans against the USSR in the cold war. Although being aware about how they treat women, i might actually be much more hesitant.