If they claim to be democratic, you should they them, if they are not, then other action is possible. Perhaps the US should?

I dont think the death sentence is any use, but on the other hand, im against life sentences that are only 25 years or less, life should mean life, as in until your dead.
When people murder 4-5 people are jailed for 25 years then get let out despite everyone knowing theres a very high chance they will do it again, then theres something inherently wrong,The legal system exists to protect society as a whole from groups that would do it harm.

Radical Terrorists are an example, if you give one a "life" sentence, they're going to come out in 15-25 years and attempt some form of violent martyrdom again, life meaning "till people have forgotten about you" isnt good enough.

This has a lot to do with frequency of occurrence. It's not uncommon for >100 people (particularly Iraqi citizens) to be killed in Iraq in a single day. If that were to happen in any Western country, it would be an extremely rare incident and every major news station around the world would pick up on it. The media no longer reports on deaths in Iraq with such thoroughness nor dedicates as much airtime to Iraqi casualties as it's pretty much a given these days that there are numerous casualties and fatalities daily in Iraq. Frankly, most people no longer care, and the media only covers what it thinks will gain the best ratings.

Besides, the media and the state are separated in almost every democratic country around the world now. The government is not responsible for what the media reports.

In case you misinterpreted me in my previous post, I too agree that regardless of whether or not an extremist will be made a martyr, they should be fully accountable and responsible for their crimes, and face justice. (Not rehabilitation, real punishment - that's the whole idea.)

See above.

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unfortunately, true life sentences in the UK are becoming rarer and rarer; we have only a few people still alive who are serving these types of sentences. There is even currently a European Court of Justice case ongoing which may see lifelong imprisonment outlawed in the EU.

have you some examples for terrorists blowing themselves or something up after 25 years in prison in Europe?

The German RAF-terrorists (Rote Armee Fraktion, not Royal Air Force) who blow up things in the 70s are to some extend already released and have not been committing any act of terrorsism since then.




"Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, always at the same time as an end and never simply as a means"

Thanks for the link Julius and Ethel Rosenberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Regardless of whether they were guilty, they did not have a decent chance of fair trial, certainly not something to base a death sentence on.
And all True Scottishmen are Scottish, Russia's media is seriously govt-screwed, (Italy's too?) I am sure the list goes on. Also, corporations definitely have a rather large influence in most countries.(although i have a hard time putting my finger on that)
"Only" after only 20+ years? Do they really have a high chance of doing the same thing again?
Rehabilitation stems from a desire to fix things in society.
Punishment stems from hatred.
All defense against this statement will be from trying to shift the definition to rehabilitation. (Ok, out of line here, we'll see)

you wish.

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You only need to look as far as the Provisional IRA for your answer to that question.



Incorrect quotation. I never said that.

But, to answer the question, yes I can see Muslim extremists serving 20 years in prison and then committing another terrorist attack. Remember, it's you that said that they want to be "martyrs", so I'm sure 20 years in prison won't deter them greatly.

Pfft... some criminals truly cannot be rehabilitated, and Muslim extremists are often included in that.

Besides, the Muslim extremists of today want to go to heaven, meet Allah and get their 72 virgins. If it pleases you, imagine it as the state being a free-of-charge travel agent for those wishing to visit Allah.

Please name a European country that is not displayed in the green section of that table.

The only two paragon countries of democracy I could find outside the green section were crappy little Georgia and Armenia (whose geographical inclusion in Europe is debatable - it's really in Asia).

You did not answer the question.

Cyprus, Greece, France, Bulgaria, Italy, Spain, Republic of Macedonia, Serbia and Montenegro, Poland....

Yes I did.

Are you colour-blind?

(That lower section could be taken as a light blue, in fact, but it's pretty damn close enough to green for you to be only being pedantic. If it was red, then you'd have a point.)

I think you are.

that's turquoise. It is not green. just like orange isn't red.

I think I missed the part with the names and staff of the ex-prisoners committing these crimes

Sorry for misnaming that quote
Hmm that does not attack my statement. If those people can not be rehabilitated to not be a threat, i think they should be kept inside. But not as punishment.
About that picture, i found the wikipedia article nothing in there about that the persons who did it where in jail for previous bombings. Actually BBC - Manchester - Features - Manchester bomb: no justice they were not even caught.
Europe and the US might not be big on repression of freedom of speech, but we are big in most of it being corporate media. We are also big in not acting on it.(who needs to repress speech if no-one does anything anyway) I am bedazzled by the contrast between the proliferation of conspiracy theories and negative sentiment about corporate and government versus the irresponsiveness towards a post i made suggesting a way of alteration. Perhaps i have easy speaking as an outsider.(except that sentence.)