Presidential Pardons / Commutions - Page 2

yaaarrrgg · 07-12-2007

hmmm .. after years of refusing to talk about the matter, now Bush has deemed all this "old news"

Bush dismisses CIA leak as old news - Yahoo! News

This reminds me of the joke from the Marx Brother's movie:

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Originally Posted by Marx Brothers (Duck Soup)

Rufus T. Firefly: And now, members of the cabinet...
[pounds gavel]
Rufus T. Firefly: we'll take up old business.
Cabinet Member: I wish to discuss the tariff.
Rufus T. Firefly: Sit down, that's new business. No old business? Very well...
[pounds gavel]
Rufus T. Firefly: we'll take up new business.
Cabinet Member: Now, about that tariff...
Rufus T. Firefly: Too late, that's old business already. Sit down.

rjwood · 07-12-2007

absolutely amazing..

Wasn't that a great movie? I have them all. My kids and I have sat together and watched them, and all of woody allens movies as well..

yaaarrrgg · 07-12-2007

yeah, I love those movies... comic genius...

Edward · 07-13-2007

It's a shame that Bush didn't give a full pardon.

seisen · 07-13-2007

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Originally Posted by Vorian

It's a shame that Bush didn't give a full pardon.

I hope your being sarcastic.

DChristopher · 07-13-2007

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Originally Posted by Rasczak

There are reasons the president is given this kind of power. Making sure people don't get railroaded by politically biased and motivated system is probably one of them.

Actually, I think the only historical reason the President was given this power, was to offer pardons to dissenters in order to buy information, or to restore peace and unity after a difficult time.

For instance, after the Civil War Lincoln pardoned Confederate soldiers instead of executing them all for treason.

For another instance, after Vietnam, draft dodgers were pardoned, to restore harmony and reunite the nation after a difficult and controversial period.

As far as I can tell, Clinton's politically motivated pardons, and now Bush's, are a relatively new thing.

rjwood · 07-13-2007

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Originally Posted by DChristopher

Actually, I think the only historical reason the President was given this power, was to offer pardons to dissenters in order to buy information, or to restore peace and unity after a difficult time.

For instance, after the Civil War Lincoln pardoned Confederate soldiers instead of executing them all for treason.

For another instance, after Vietnam, draft dodgers were pardoned, to restore harmony and reunite the nation after a difficult and controversial period.

As far as I can tell, Clinton's politically motivated pardons, and now Bush's, are a relatively new thing.

I agree..None of them have been noble enough to pardon all those non-violent pot smokers that the pharmaceutical industry has had locked up.

Rasczak · 07-13-2007

One thing about a pardon is that accepting it is an admission of guilt.

Here is a link to Federalist #74 with an argument for presidential pardon.

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rjwood Long Gone For Good Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,236	Re: Presidential Pardons / Commutions absolutely amazing.. Wasn't that a great movie? I have them all. My kids and I have sat together and watched them, and all of woody allens movies as well..
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yaaarrrgg Super Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 998	Re: Presidential Pardons / Commutions yeah, I love those movies... comic genius...

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Edward Eligible for a custom title Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 332	Re: Presidential Pardons / Commutions It's a shame that Bush didn't give a full pardon.

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Rasczak Stirrer Of Shit Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oahu Posts: 3,955	Re: Presidential Pardons / Commutions One thing about a pardon is that accepting it is an admission of guilt. Here is a link to Federalist #74 with an argument for presidential pardon.
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