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Old 06-26-2007   #1 (permalink)
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The United States(Or you're home country) is so dis-satisfied with the state of things that they are allowing the people to re-write(or write) the constitution. This is your one and only chance. You have one year to make a quasi-utopia.

What illegal or semi-legal thing do you want to make legal? Which ones do you want to keep illegal?

What legal things do you want to make illegal?
Which should stay legal?

SADs(Special Administrative Districts) or not?

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The United States(Or you're home country) is so dis-satisfied with the state of things that they are allowing the people to re-write(or write) the constitution. This is your one and only chance. You have one year to make a quasi-utopia.

What illegal or semi-legal thing do you want to make legal? Which ones do you want to keep illegal?

What legal things do you want to make illegal?
Which should stay legal?

SADs(Special Administrative Districts) or not?

ECT... Anything and/or everything you think might work. Any thing 'ratitied' my 3+ members will make it onto a special post on DragonCon weekend next year! Wooho!
Erm, I would keep the Constitution exactly how it is. However, I would encourage people to vote for representatives that uphold the Constitution.
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I have a hope that the Supreme Court will find itself unconstitutional. However, that is unlikely.

I would like to see less federal government meddling.
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Governments can already change constitutions? It is just a longer process with more difficult requirements.

To answer the question, I am not sure i am up to constitution making, there is a lot to take into account, hmm, do have an entire year for it, and can probably ask people for their criticism. For the Netherlands, i do not think i will change much, then again, i have not read the text.(I should!)
About the American constitution, people seem to have this whole idiotic romantic view on it, and on how the US govt came to be. For that reason, i would replace it wholly, :P probably with the constitution of some other country. That will force them to rethink things.

PS: the thread has been named very badly...

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The first amendment should be clarified and given much stricter wording.
The government should also be barred from restricting personal actions that do not harm others, such as drugs, sex, etc.
Last, corporate power should be severely curbed, so that the rights of individuals are not harmed by religion (first amendment reform), governments (the first amendment reform plus what i mentioned earlier), nor corporation.
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I live in the US, so these amendments would apply to the US Constitution:
  1. Very explicitly reinstate the right of member states to secede from the Union.
  2. Dissolve the IRS.
  3. Clarify that the powers granted in the Constitution are the only powers granted to the Federal government.
  4. Strengthen the Bill Of Rights- all of it.
  5. Eliminate the pernicious legal fantasy of a corporate 'person'; Define a 'person' to be one individual right there, in the Constitution.
  6. Rewrite the phrase "Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort." in such a way to cause it to mean that treason consists of levying war against the US or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort, while having pledged allegiance to the US.
  7. Grant people born on US soil the right to claim citizenship but prevent default granting of citizenship based on birthplace.
That's just off of the top of my head and assuming that instituting anarchies is out of the question.

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As far as the rules of this thread goes, you can say anarchy.
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I would give every single person at the age of 16 or older the right to vote. That includes mentally handicapped and prison inmates.

And you should not register to be allowed to vote.

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I would give every single person at the age of 16 or older the right to vote. That includes mentally handicapped and prison inmates.

And you should not register to be allowed to vote.
Why not give everyone the right to vote?

Assuming a random distribution, uninformed guesses will cancel each other out. Otherwise, it gives more vote weight to larger families ... which makes sense.
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Why not give everyone the right to vote?
That's excactly what I am saying. Everyone except under the age of 16.
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That's excactly what I am saying. Everyone except under the age of 16.
I honestly think a 5th grader could have done a better job in our last two presidential elections than the general population ... but that's the U.S.
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- remove the Electoral College
- put a salary cap on elected positions, local and federal
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Personally I'd underline the bit about free speech where it says it only applies to government, to stop people whining that a company is not publishing everything they say.
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[*]Eliminate the pernicious legal fantasy of a corporate 'person'; Define a 'person' to be one individual right there, in the Constitution.
Hmm... Wouldn't that remove the ability to hold a corporation responsible for actions? Ok, it would strengthen the ability to prosecute the individuals in charge or involved, but if it a systematic, corporate-wide issue then who should get the blame?
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Hmm... Wouldn't that remove the ability to hold a corporation responsible for actions? Ok, it would strengthen the ability to prosecute the individuals in charge or involved, but if it a systematic, corporate-wide issue then who should get the blame?
It would eliminate the ability to hold a corporation responsible in any way for its actions. But it would have the beneficial side effect of making it possible to hold the individuals of the corporation responsible for their actions instead of giving them a collective nonentity behind which to escape responsibility.

I'm not certain I understand what you mean by a systematic corporation-wide issue. Could you give an example/be more clear?
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I've been wondering lately, is America on the verge of a civil war, or is it too fat/slow/stupid?
Well, it seems that foreboding has fallen over the calm world that I call home. ZS forums and I are now best buds. (I think that zombies have less cred than nukes as a doomsday, but slightly more than aliens...)
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I've been wondering lately, is America on the verge of a civil war, or is it too fat/slow/stupid?
It is very fat, quick to jump the gun but slow to think.
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That is true, they could pull the trigger, but could they survive the aftermath? The population does need a little thinning...
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I've been wondering lately, is America on the verge of a civil war, or is it too fat/slow/stupid?
No I don't think it is, everybody conforms to society too much. So until another Ghandi or Martin Luther King comes around I don't see it happening.
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To quote Henry David Thoreau:
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I heartily accept the motto, "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe — "That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which the will have.
This I believe. So the constitution would be "Do what thou wilt".

The above quote comes from the text "
On the Duty of Civil Disobedience"
originally called "Resistance to Civil Government" from 1849. It is very interesting to read, please do so.

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