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Old 06-21-2007   #1 (permalink)
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(CBS/AP) Federal authorities have cut phone, power and Internet service at the fortified compound of a couple convicted of tax evasion who have refused to report to prison.

It's unclear what effect that has on Ed and Elaine Brown, who have solar and wind power generators at their 110-acre spread, where they have been holed up for months.

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They refuse to pay their federal income taxes, because there is, in fact, no law requiring them to do so.

Feds Corner Home Of Convicted Tax Evaders, U.S. Marshals Cut Phone, Power, Internet To N.H. Couple Who Won't Report To Prison - CBS News
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I wonder how many supporters of the Browns refused to pay their taxes?
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I wonder how many supporters of the Browns refused to pay their taxes?
Many, I'm sure.
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They refuse to pay their federal income taxes, because there is, in fact, no law requiring them to do so.
The 16th amendment gave Congress the ability to demand taxes, and they've passed plenty of laws justifying it.

Anyone who seriously believes that nonsense about there not being a law requiring it is gullible.
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they've passed plenty of laws justifying it.
Show me one of them.
Start looking here: THOMAS (Library of Congress)
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Nice to see that you linked me to a site that only goes back to the late 1980s when the early tax codes were passed right after the 16th amendment.

Regardless, bills from the 101st congress on that went to the President-

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Limited To: Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate

618 Bills from multiple Congresses ranked by relevance on "tax ".
618 bills containing your phrase (or variants of its words) in the same order.
After a bit of web-hopping, I come to this:

Internal Revenue Code (26 USC)

Specifically, this part:

Sec. 1. Tax imposed

"There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of -" (it goes on to the different categories and has tables and stuff. Fun!
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The income tax is unfairly applied. Most of the Supreme Court cases on the subject support the arguements of the Tax Protesters. They have some arguements that I consider unsound, too, though.

I think Ed and Elain Brown were railroaded. The judge didn't allow him to present a defense based on a differnet interpetation of the law, which basically denied him the ability to defend himself at all. It would be different if they allowed him to argue his case.

His crime is refusing to participate in a trial he was sure to lose. I don't blame him for what he's doing. I can only hope that if the same thing happened to me, I would have the personal integrity to stand my ground.
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What I have found many times in my life is, in the end, nobody cares. I have taken a stand a thousand times while believing others were with me, only to be left standing alone. Too many want to believe as you do but do not want to pay the piper when crunch time comes. REMEBER THAT!!. In the end, your the fool and to cap it off, you end up paying the entire bill. BE WARNED!
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What I have found many times in my life is, in the end, nobody cares. I have taken a stand a thousand times while believing others were with me, only to be left standing alone.
You could be an anti-motivational speaker.

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You could be an anti-motivational speaker.

"DON'T FOLLOW YOUR DREAMS, KIDS! NOBODY WILL AGREE WITH YOU!"
In your own words, what exactly does that mean?
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IMO tax protesting is not a noble cause. It's when someone wants more money. It's short-sighted greed.

If they truly had noble intentions, they'd donate the money saved to a charity, or organization working towards tax reform.

This was all about helping the Brown's. They were just cheating on their taxes.
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How can their cause be considered noble if they use and have used the benefits of others taxes without paying their own? Are they so noble that everyone should do what they're doing? What then?

I dont know much about this case, but if a judge allowed a different interpretation for the law in this case, that opens up a whole new can of worms, doesn't it?
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IMO tax protesting is not a noble cause. It's when someone wants more money. It's short-sighted greed.

If they truly had noble intentions, they'd donate the money saved to a charity, or organization working towards tax reform.

This was all about helping the Brown's. They were just cheating on their taxes.
I have to agree with you,
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True, they are afforded the protection of the military, police and other agencies paid for by tax money. If they drive, they benefit from the roads. They drink clean water unless they have a well. They have representation in the federal, state and local government. All paid for by taxes. I agree it's simply greed. Or prehaps a childish stand to rebel against their own country. Anyway, the real shame is they are forcing their children to have to pick up the tab for them. They are not very responible parents. Their kids may end up in foster care after this whole affair is over. It's worth paying a few bucks in taxes to protect your kids from such fate...They are selfish and shameful.
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At least as of right now the government didn't do like they did in Waco or Ruby Ridge.
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At least as of right now the government didn't do like they did in Waco or Ruby Ridge.
It was not the government. It was a few bad decisions by some individuals that caused problems. I think it is important to distinguish between the two..
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True, they are afforded the protection of the military, police and other agencies paid for by tax money. If they drive, they benefit from the roads. They drink clean water unless they have a well. They have representation in the federal, state and local government. All paid for by taxes. I agree it's simply greed. Or prehaps a childish stand to rebel against their own country. Anyway, the real shame is they are forcing their children to have to pick up the tab for them. They are not very responible parents. Their kids may end up in foster care after this whole affair is over. It's worth paying a few bucks in taxes to protect your kids from such fate...They are selfish and shameful.
OMG they have kids? Tell me they're not living with them!

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True, they are afforded the protection of the military, police and other agencies paid for by tax money. If they drive, they benefit from the roads. They drink clean water unless they have a well. They have representation in the federal, state and local government. All paid for by taxes. I agree it's simply greed. Or prehaps a childish stand to rebel against their own country. Anyway, the real shame is they are forcing their children to have to pick up the tab for them. They are not very responible parents. Their kids may end up in foster care after this whole affair is over. It's worth paying a few bucks in taxes to protect your kids from such fate...They are selfish and shameful.
yeah, and they benefited from the education system when they were younger! Oh wait... no they probably didnt, because they're giant idiots. Or maybe that's proof they were in the education system. :P

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It was not the government. It was a few bad decisions by some individuals that caused problems. I think it is important to distinguish between the two..
Can you please elaborate?
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Well, I may have spoken out of turn. I thought I read a few days ago they did have kids. I connot find that again though. So, they may not have children. Sorry if i mis-spoke.
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Can you please elaborate?
I mean decisions are made by people. They may work for the government. It however does not make the government bad. Some have made bad decisions on behalf of governmental agencies. That is all I meant..
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