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Old 05-30-2007   #41 (permalink)
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I'm getting the impression (and I may be wrong of course) that we are only getting views from wasps and other white people. Am I correct?
That statement in itself is racist
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That statement in itself is racist
explain that, would you?
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Old 05-31-2007   #43 (permalink)
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Well, I'm disgriminate about it. What I mean is, offer to shake hands often, pat a person on the arm or back. For people whom I know are comfortable with it, I may hug them, male ar female.
With friends I make exceptions on the odd occasion.

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I feel racism is alive and kicking. My wife is Mexican and I am white. You would be surprised at the reactions of some people. I have been told things like "How cute, you have a mixed marriage.", our "What is a mixed marriage like?", and "So what does that make your son?"
My girlfriend is Chinese and I am white. I have had people yell "Mail order bride" from cars when walking down the street.
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Reading through this thread, I have the impression that racism is seen as some kind of severe disease which has infected mankind but is happily irradicable if only the great and good in our world (particularly the younger members of this group) were listened to.
Of course, it hasn't infected everybody but just those who coincidentally were "bad people" in the first place.
Unfortunately, racism, homophobia and most other reasons for feeling uncomfortable in the presence of people who are different is just a part of the tribalism that comes naturally to us and many other animals.
This tribalism is how we evolved and we evolved like this because it helped us survive. Tribes who were not suspicious and uncomfortable with the proximity of other tribes generally got massacred and devoured with the result that their "neighborly" genes didn't get to be passed along to modern times.
Now, of course, tribalism is a much less important part of our survival armoury than it was a hundred thousand years ago but those cursed genes are still in our DNA.
Therefore, much as racism is an extremely unpleasant feature of present-day society (indeed, I have been the victim of it myself many times), it really is just part of being human.
Those who say they are not, and never have been, racist are, I think, merely succumbing to another part of being human which is self-delusion.
When the soccer/baseball/football team that you support loses to its main rival do you rush to congratulate the supporters of the rival team and genuinely feel happy for their triumph? Of course not, But that's tribalism.
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With friends I make exceptions on the odd occasion.



My girlfriend is Chinese and I am white. I have had people yell "Mail order bride" from cars when walking down the street.
Now that would be upsetting to me. It's one thing to have it happen to you, but once it happens to someone you care about, especially if you know that it bothers them, it makes it an entirely different game.

If it was repetitious, I might call the police for general harassment, but definitely not as racial discrimination in some way.

I still think that we all need to grow a spine and not let minor things bother us. Imus? There was no way that I can even imagine it being a racist remark. Certainly it's very offensive to women and he should have been reprimanded, but not fired...
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Being too sensitive to remarks about race or religion is what gives 'Shock Jocks' like Dom Imus a platform, if nobody was offended by him he would get pulled of air like anybody else lacking talent.

If your too sensitive to racial remarks then it makes people want to make them in your presence to get a reaction out of you IMO.
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Yes, racism is live and well, causing problems now as much as ever, but in a different way than 100 years ago.

I'm a white british male but have long hair, and several stupid people have yelled racist comments at me as they have driven past me...
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Racism is very much alive even today and I believe it will continue to exist as long as people can be differentiated on the basis of superficial traits like the colour of the skin, shape of the nose etc.

However, the nature of racism has taken different approaches over time and the way I see it, lately it has manifested into some sort suppressed emotions.
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Being too sensitive to remarks about race or religion is what gives 'Shock Jocks' like Dom Imus a platform, if nobody was offended by him he would get pulled of air like anybody else lacking talent.

If your too sensitive to racial remarks then it makes people want to make them in your presence to get a reaction out of you IMO.
It works well in theory but in real life it is not easy for a decent self respecting person to pretend as if they didn't hear it. The end result would be nothing but some bruised egos. IMO, speaking out is very important as silence may be taken as sign of weakness and the victim may get abused even more.
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if you hate all people the same despite kind or colour you are free of racism.
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Of course racism exists; it's part of human nature.

My point of view affects how I see you.

My mother washed my mouth out with soap for using the n-word when I was 8 years old in Chesapeake, VA (1967). In 8th grade we had "race" riots at my school; Steve Creekmore and I went to the principle's office because the cops thought we were about to fight when we were about to share math class notes (1974). In '84 I got a Article 15 for calling a fellow soldier the n-word, I was pleased to shine his boots for a week because I was ashamed that I used that word. We became great friends and stayed in touch until '99 when he was killed in a car wreck.

Today I installed two ceiling fans with addon remote controls in the home of Jaimes and Kim M. I felt fine in their home but I suspect she didn't quite trust me.

I failed by not asking her why she didn't feel comfortable.

I think honest, open discussion is crucial along with realizing that bias/racism/prejudice is a part of my nature.

By knowing others that are not like me I get to know myself better and see fewer differences.

We are all the same but we are also all different.

Let us focus on what we have in common.

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I'm a southern white redneck living in the Midwest with my African American finance. Sometimes, depending on where our walk takes us determines what racial slurs tend to be said to us. They are either towards me or her. This isn't the bad part of town either people. The slurs, usually come from those under 18. They have to learn it somewhere.
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Old 06-01-2007   #53 (permalink)
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It is still present in our society.
My questions are?
Can we fight to this evil?
It will not come in any other form in future?
What science & history say about this?
Can we eradicate problem of Racism, Poor/rich, Developed/undeveloped.
Can you think about this and comeback to me.
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That statement in itself is racist
I'm still hoping to get a clarification on this, kiwinz. Will you please explain why my statement is racist.


racism

racism
n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically
superior to members of other races
2: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of
another race [syn: {racialism}, {racial discrimination}]

racist

racist
adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
[syn: {antiblack}, {anti-Semitic}, {anti-Semite(a)}]
n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior
to others [syn: {racialist}]

I don't see how my statement fits either one of these definitions..

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You don't get to walk away from this, Mike. You hold yourself in high esteem when it comes to forum conduct. It's your turn, my friend, to make an accounting of yourself. Your quick with the trigger over at ubuntu forums and even here telling people how to behave, what about you!?

You suggested I am racist by a statement I made. Now, either explain your position or apologize.
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if you hate all people the same despite kind or colour you are free of racism.
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That statement in itself is racist
I would not classify it as "racist", though it is pretty damn shallow (which may be the progenitor of racism).
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I would not classify it as "racist", though it is pretty damn shallow (which may be the progenitor of racism).
Boy, don't we sound defensive..
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Is there such a think as racism? I do not think so. Racism is an abstract term. Is it made up by us in the western world, so we have a tool to recognized some of the atrocities committed by ourselves in our pre-contemporary history.

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My girlfriend is Chinese and I am white. I have had people yell "Mail order bride" from cars when walking down the street.
A couple of days ago I watched a program about women with natural big breasts. These all experiences the same thing: getting yelled at when walking on the street. Basically the same thing.

I have since my teens used a particularly kind of shoes. They may look a bit odd, but they are the most comfortable shoes in the world. The comments I have heard from the strangers when walking in public areas through time are countless. Last time it happened was a week ago.

So I think that "racism" is a falsely identified term that takes into account human sadistic behaviors, but wrongly identifies skin colour as a reason for people to be compelled to behave this way. There is not such a thing as racism, only human sadistic behavior. For some reason we wrongly see this behavior as particularly vile when suffered upon a human with a different skin colour. This behavior is always wrong, no matter what other human it is applied to, no matter the skin colour.

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if you hate all people the same despite kind or colour you are free of racism.
That's a way to say it
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I've been intrigued by this thread. So much of what has been written is not racism at all, but complaints about the affects and consequences of racism. Besides the two mixed marriage posts, not one has been actual racists stories. Instead it is mainly about reverse racism. How many people here have been pulled over 5 times this week, for no apparent reason. Well, that happens quite frequently to black people. How many members of your family or race have gone without being able to get a job, even though you are qualified for it? Don't tell me it doesn't happen either. I know it does because I watched it happen to people of color and females while I worked for a major corporation.

I am lucky that I am white only because I have not had to suffer those injustices. And my ability to have avoided that has certainly skewed my sense of reality within my community. The world is neither big nor small, but I find myself either shrinking it or bloating it to fit me. The problem is, reality still takes place, like it or not...And that is racism..

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