Another "defining characteristic" seems to be ignoring the truth for political purposes. The obvious fact that some Islamo-fascist nut-jobs did it will only strengthen those you wish to weaken, therefore you must disregard the truth in favor of a theory which meets your political ends, right?

Did you watch the video, utabintarbo? I would be interested in what you think of it. I have thoght from the beginning there was some strangness about the entire incident. There were explosions taking place just before and during the collapse. However, it seems Bush was truly taken by surprise.

Being a news junkie, I have likely seen all of the actual video many times before. Being behind a restrictive firewall most of the day, I did not look at this particular way of editing the video to tell the editor's story.

our own govt. did it, go to you tube, and look up "the power of night mares", there is lots of info, opinions, scientific testimony.....i know some of you guys are engineers, and architects, and "smart" people...i have been in carpentry for almost 20 years...i know a demolition when i see one..

the question is this: are we, as a nation, or even the world for that matter, going to sit here, and do NOTHING, like we did about KENNEDY...americans are being trained to be restrained, to conform, and basically, the "american experiment", is a failed one, as the neo-cons screwed up the control....ie; it is no longer a valid experiment,. if you muck withit with out the peoples knowledge..(most ppl know, but are in denial, worse than a dope fiend)

that look on dubya's face is " omg, they really did it"

This is very true. I believe the real story now is the psychology and sociology of mass denial. Aside from the dangerous implications, it is amazing to observe how deeply entrenched the denial is and how it is maintained, both in individuals and in organizations. Simply remarkable.

I say that is the real story now because I believe anyone with an open mind can at this point come to the logical conclusion of 'inside job'. Anyone who hasn't is either in denial or is ignorant (has simply avoided looking at the non-mainstream press and materials). No more repetition and even investigation will move them unless they hear it declared by a CNN anchor (as if that would happen). Then they'd be shocked, and some would deny it still, disowning CNN.

To admit it is simply too big a shift in their world view - it brings up too much insecurity, so they choose to avoid that reality altogether. That is why the cover-up has been so successful - it is actively welcomed.

Exactly how I read it! A mixture of excitement, awe, and pre-knowledge.

Way to knock that strawman down! Look, there's more to the story than they're willing to admit.

Seriously, here's a movie that has no questionable facts. All it does is compare the "official" time-line with the way things actually happened, against the back-drop of the victim's families fighting to get a real investigation.

Watch it: 9/11: Press for Truth - Google Video

Like I said, I would like your take on it..

FWIW, I think it's best to ignore utabintarbo. As far as I can tell, his mind is CLOSED FOR BUSINESS. He merely engages in ad hominem attacks against anyone who says something different than what he thinks. I've yet to see him contribute anything but abuse to a discussion.

He has every right to be here and do that (within the forum guidelines), but my advice is: get on with an intelligent discussion rather than allowing him to repeatedly derail it.

Truth is not ad hominem. Sorry.

But nobody exactly what the truth is.