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Old 05-13-2007   #1 (permalink)
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so i was thinking today and wondering if a private enterprise would be better equipped to handle our government?

what do you think?

if we were treated as employees, there would be free health care, because it's not in a nation's best interest to let it's citizens die.
there would also be a better military, as usa.inc.
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Bad idea.
Government is for the people, by the people.

Free health care is bad too. For example, say you smoke cigarettes daily. You develop lung cancer. I am paying for you to ge better, when you are the one that decided to smoke. You created a problem for yourself, and now I am paying for it.
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Bad idea.
Government is for the people, by the people.

Free health care is bad too. For example, say you smoke cigarettes daily. You develop lung cancer. I am paying for you to ge better, when you are the one that decided to smoke. You created a problem for yourself, and now I am paying for it.
Free health care is not bad at all.

How about if you unfortunately develop cancer, and due to your weakened status as a result of the chemotherapy, you lose your job, and hence, your only way to pay for further treatment. Should you be left to suffer, or do you think you have a right to be treated?
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Free health care is not bad at all.

How about if you unfortunately develop cancer, and due to your weakened status as a result of the chemotherapy, you lose your job, and hence, your only way to pay for further treatment. Should you be left to suffer, or do you think you have a right to be treated?
I'm divided on this issue; on the one hand, free health care sounds wonderful, but on the flip side, do I have an obligation to pay for your treatment if you befall some unfortunate circumstances? It's a little clearer in the cigarette/lung cancer example, but it's the same principle. While it may seem a little cold-hearted, I'm not sure if it's the government's job to forcefully reallocate resources from the rich to the poor. If I worked my ass off to earn more money than the next guy, why do I have to pay for my own healthcare and his?

I'm not much of a socialist.
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Free health care is not bad at all.

How about if you unfortunately develop cancer, and due to your weakened status as a result of the chemotherapy, you lose your job, and hence, your only way to pay for further treatment. Should you be left to suffer, or do you think you have a right to be treated?
i agree here free health care is not a bad idea,
would you prefer the unemployed and the porr of this world just to die,when they get ill,lets face it the working class is rapidly becoming the minority in this world of ours.
it is time for the gov to lift its game and find outher ways to finance the poor and infirm,this includes the baby boomers,
we are all getting older with the younger generation waiting longer to settle and have a family or choosing not to have children at all.this problem will persist for a good distance in our future
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so i was thinking today and wondering if a private enterprise would be better equipped to handle our government?

what do you think?

if we were treated as employees, there would be free health care, because it's not in a nation's best interest to let it's citizens die.
there would also be a better military, as usa.inc.
Rickycodie, Nothing wrong with exploring idea's. However, the mindset of running a country like a corporation is what got us in the mess we are in today. Our citizens decided to elect a CEO (George W Bush) for president, and another CEO ( Dick Cheney) as VP. This is what happens when business people try to lead a country-----TOTAL CHAOS!!!!! As we all saw, even though Michael Jordan was a great basketball player, he sucked at baseball. So, we tried it and now lets move forward and elect people who are dedicated to the principles of the law, public service and the constitution, as well as the bill of rights....

As for universal healthcare----it's the only way to go in my view......
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well to answer some of posts, smoking/related illnesses would not be covered by our health care. as a corporation it is not in our best intrests to spend money on people's stupidity. niether would the injuries of a drunk driver be covered. his victims sure, but not him. also as a corporation all salary would be determined by the position that you hold, parking lot attendants get one rate while painters get another. this would eliminate illegal immagration as there would only be enough jobs for everyone that is here legally, because you must apply to the state for the job.
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How about reinstating the constitution? That might be a good idea.
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well to answer some of posts, smoking/related illnesses would not be covered by our health care. as a corporation it is not in our best intrests to spend money on people's stupidity. niether would the injuries of a drunk driver be covered. his victims sure, but not him. also as a corporation all salary would be determined by the position that you hold, parking lot attendants get one rate while painters get another. this would eliminate illegal immagration as there would only be enough jobs for everyone that is here legally, because you must apply to the state for the job.
ah good thinking. i would love to see all the forms in the hospital proving i broke my arm neither from drinking nor cigarettes.
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Business does not always focus on the long term. Sometimes they do things like layoffs to meet a quarterly deadline. When they do layoffs to make stockholders happy, they have shown that people can be numbers on a page. People with families, children and lives. I fear if we ran the nations like a business, the lower class would be knocked lower and be more expendable.
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Business does not always focus on the long term. Sometimes they do things like layoffs to meet a quarterly deadline. When they do layoffs to make stockholders happy, they have shown that people can be numbers on a page. People with families, children and lives. I fear if we ran the nations like a business, the lower class would be knocked lower and be more expendable.
They're already treated as such by many politicians.
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They're already treated as such by many politicians.
Indeed, why make it worse in the name of a better GNP?
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i don't subscribe to the business idea that i presented, i just thought that it was worth discussing. as far as the lay offs and such go, to argue on the side of my idea, the people that usa.inc would only get rid of the least worthy of the workers. i mean if you can't shine a shoe well, are you really employable anywhere?

if you have worth and work you would make money and progress. promotions are readily available. the highest paid positions are those of leadership, they also require the most training. wouldn't it be better if all in charge had training, especially our current pres.?
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Considering how well the corporatocracy is being run now, i think actually electing governments for the people is the way to go... The corporate war mongering hacks that are running the show now are fast turning the world into a complete shambles... It's not just the iraq thing that the US should be focusing on... There's a problem with bees at the moment, hives dying off without explaination.. so what i hear everyone ask... just stop and think what all those bees pollenate (and how ever many more knock on effects)... I site this as only one example, there are thousands more and these are global... you only need to look at countries in the 'coallition of the bribed' to see the same concept recurring again and again... this is all propped up by government puppets playing the tune for the corporations....

p.s. as for the universal health care thing? that answer is simple, you tax the cigarettes sufficiently (the difficult part is ensuring these taxes get to the health care system - see above) so that when i develop cancer, i've already paid for the treatment by smoking....

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i don't subscribe to the business idea that i presented, i just thought that it was worth discussing. as far as the lay offs and such go, to argue on the side of my idea, the people that usa.inc would only get rid of the least worthy of the workers. i mean if you can't shine a shoe well, are you really employable anywhere?

if you have worth and work you would make money and progress. promotions are readily available. the highest paid positions are those of leadership, they also require the most training. wouldn't it be better if all in charge had training, especially our current pres.?
No man or woman is without worth. To put a soul on a balance sheet just does not gel with me.
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I think this is a really poor idea. look at what's going on right now with our government, and its being run like a private enterprise.

the problem with bussiness is that they are always looking out for there profit, leaving people open for getting screwed over.

and, as was mentioned before, what happens when it doesnt meet its goals? layoffs. for the entire population.


government, when run well, is made for the people.

government, as it is right now, is simply tyrrany.
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ah good thinking. i would love to see all the forms in the hospital proving i broke my arm neither from drinking nor cigarettes.
Actually it would be up to you to prove where and how you broke it. Did your work supervisor or law enforcement conduct an accident investigation showing that it was work related or the accident as not being your fault because you were drunk or under the influence of illicit narcotics?

If the accident is not work related or you were impaired, well, tough poopoo.
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i don't subscribe to the business idea that i presented, i just thought that it was worth discussing. as far as the lay offs and such go, to argue on the side of my idea, the people that usa.inc would only get rid of the least worthy of the workers. i mean if you can't shine a shoe well, are you really employable anywhere?

if you have worth and work you would make money and progress. promotions are readily available. the highest paid positions are those of leadership, they also require the most training. wouldn't it be better if all in charge had training, especially our current pres.?
Not picking on you, just quoting.

So, in other words from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
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great response, chroniker. and as for the gop being tyrannical, it's not. a tyranny is according to the wikipedia:
A tyrant is a single individual holding vast, if not absolute power through a state or in an organization. The term carries connotations of a harsh and cruel ruler who place their own interests or the interests of a small oligarchy over the best interests of the general population which they govern or control. This mode of rule is referred to as tyranny.

if you apply this term to our current president then it applies to presidents of past and future. all presidents since F.D.R. have had this much power and sway, and barring future changes, all will. it is not a bad thing, they are still held in check, congress could end this war if they really wanted, just stop funding it. there really has not been a republic as great as ours to date, no other one has lasted more than Rome and we surpassed them in 1977.
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