Your feeling toward nationalism & patriotism - Page 2

PWill · 05-20-2007

I am an American patriot in the sense that I am proud of the ideas my country was founded on. I believe that it is my duty as a patriot to protect those ideas (freedom, liberty, etc.)

Nationalism in the sense of beliving that the people in your country are superior to other people simply because they are from your country is a very bad idea.

Jentsu · 05-20-2007

The very idea of being proud of being an american is just as dumb as being proud you're white, black, or whatever. You had no control over who your parents were or where they fucked.

(Aside: Really, being proud of a lot of these things people take pride in are just retarded. Gay pride? Okay, so you're just rubbing it into everyone's faces your personal business now that the law protects you. Seriously, STFU. If you people didn't parade around making it look like the limp-wristed S&M rainbow apocalypse was coming, I bet a lot fewer people would give a shit that you were gay.)

DerArzt · 05-21-2007

Oscar Wilde's quote "Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious" comes to mind.

Ilya · 05-27-2007

Love your country, not your government.

schism · 06-08-2007

Julius Caesar said beware of nationalism, it is a double edged sword.

Patriotism & Nationalism are the next most mind corrupting concepts after racism. No one chooses where they are born, just like no one chooses what skin color they are born with. To judge a person by his or her nationalism, is allowing yourself to think through the same mental process as racism.

Mr. Jaggers · 06-08-2007

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PWill · 06-08-2007

Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

- Mark Twain

Rasczak · 06-08-2007

If you live in a crap hole country that doesn't protect people's rights, then no need for patriotism.

But the original question is kind of dumb anyway - patriotism is a response, its not something you just choose to be or not be.

c.dric · 06-08-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasczak

But the original question is kind of dumb anyway - patriotism is a response, its not something you just choose to be or not be.

You don't have to be a patriot to have an opinion on patriotism and its effects on the society you live in.

bns · 06-08-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jentsu

The very idea of being proud of being an american is just as dumb as being proud you're white, black, or whatever. You had no control over who your parents were or where they fucked.

(Aside: Really, being proud of a lot of these things people take pride in are just retarded. Gay pride? Okay, so you're just rubbing it into everyone's faces your personal business now that the law protects you. Seriously, STFU. If you people didn't parade around making it look like the limp-wristed S&M rainbow apocalypse was coming, I bet a lot fewer people would give a shit that you were gay.)

There's a difference in being proud of who you are and thinking everyone else is inferior.

PWill · 06-08-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasczak

If you live in a crap hole country that doesn't protect people's rights, then no need for patriotism.

Being a patriot means you want the best for your country, so if you live in a craphole country, then you would want to make it the best that it can be.

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05-20-2007	#21 (permalink)
PWill Liberty or Death Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 330	Re: Your feeling toward nationalism & patriotism I am an American patriot in the sense that I am proud of the ideas my country was founded on. I believe that it is my duty as a patriot to protect those ideas (freedom, liberty, etc.) Nationalism in the sense of beliving that the people in your country are superior to other people simply because they are from your country is a very bad idea.
	"A little rebellion now and then is a good thing; the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson My blog - pwill.us

05-20-2007	#22 (permalink)
Jentsu Discussion starter Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 81	Re: Your feeling toward nationalism & patriotism The very idea of being proud of being an american is just as dumb as being proud you're white, black, or whatever. You had no control over who your parents were or where they fucked. (Aside: Really, being proud of a lot of these things people take pride in are just retarded. Gay pride? Okay, so you're just rubbing it into everyone's faces your personal business now that the law protects you. Seriously, STFU. If you people didn't parade around making it look like the limp-wristed S&M rainbow apocalypse was coming, I bet a lot fewer people would give a shit that you were gay.)
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05-21-2007	#23 (permalink)
DerArzt Just getting started Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 10	Re: Your feeling toward nationalism & patriotism Oscar Wilde's quote "Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious" comes to mind.

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Ilya Eligible for a custom title Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 107	Re: Your feeling toward nationalism & patriotism Love your country, not your government.

06-08-2007	#25 (permalink)
schism Commentator Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 38	Re: Your feeling toward nationalism & patriotism Julius Caesar said beware of nationalism, it is a double edged sword. Patriotism & Nationalism are the next most mind corrupting concepts after racism. No one chooses where they are born, just like no one chooses what skin color they are born with. To judge a person by his or her nationalism, is allowing yourself to think through the same mental process as racism.
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06-08-2007	#27 (permalink)
PWill Liberty or Death Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 330	Re: Your feeling toward nationalism & patriotism Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. - Mark Twain
	"A little rebellion now and then is a good thing; the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson My blog - pwill.us

06-08-2007	#28 (permalink)
Rasczak Stirrer Of Shit Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oahu Posts: 3,605	Re: Your feeling toward nationalism & patriotism If you live in a crap hole country that doesn't protect people's rights, then no need for patriotism. But the original question is kind of dumb anyway - patriotism is a response, its not something you just choose to be or not be.
	Eric "For whoever habitually suppresses the truth in the interests of tact will produce a deformity from the womb of his thought." -Sir Basil H. Liddel-Hart http://self-composed.com