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| I hate guns, but people should be allowed to have them, BUT to protect the citizens restrictions should be placed on them (for those convicted of violent crimes) and you should have to register it (just like you do your car) and get training on it (just like a car) |
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| Just getting started | Surely there is a human right to defend oneself in one's own home. 2nd Amendment aside, one of the core tenets of libertarianism (a philosophy which I believe in) is very individualistic: I should be able to do what as I want as long as I am not taking away the rights of others. Possessing a gun in my own home for defense, hunting, or simply for the fun of it does not hurt anyone else. Please don't reply that accidents happen in homes with guns. Many times more children drown in their swimming pools per annum than die or are injured from gun accidents in their homes. Everyone interested in gun rights/crime, etc. should read John Lott's book: More Guns, Less Crime. |
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| Just getting started Join Date: May 2007
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| I'm also very interested to see what people here think about gun control. In my country, gun is *strictly* prohibited. I've never seen a gun for my life and it would be impossible to own one even if I wanted to. Voters, politicians, and industries all agree with this gun control and there is no debate about it. |
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| Liberty or Death | Oh dear. I remember MY thread about this on the Ubuntu forums. It reached over 50 pages, IIRC. Anyway, I don't own a gun, but I 100% support the right to own them. A gun is a tool used to protect one's life, liberty and prosperity. The government's job is to protect your life, liberty and prosperity; thus, the government cannot take guns away. Last edited by PWill : 05-12-2007 at 11:46 AM. |
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"A little rebellion now and then is a good thing; the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson My blog - pwill.us | |
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| Dogs don't make mistakes. | I personally own several guns which I use to shoot at the shooting range and for hunting. I support mild gun control in the form of more stringent background checks and the like, but I do feel that making them too strict would infringe upon my Second Amendment rights. |
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| I see the Fnords. | I support gun ownership, and I own a few myself. Obviously, we should make every effort to keep guns out of the hands of felons and the mentally ill. Basically, if we enforced the laws we have, we'd have fewer problems. All of my family and most of my friends are also responsible gun owners. |
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| Just getting started Join Date: May 2007 Location: Terborg, The Netherlands
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| I think that the way gun control within The Netherlands is enforced works quite well. In general you are not allowed to own a firearm, if you need it for your work you have to leave the weapon at your work, you will not own the weapon yourself. In some functions you are allowed to own your own gun, this is of course registered and these people are trained very well. If you need a gun for sports, you have to be a member of a shooting club and only after a year you are allowed to receive an permit, if the government allows it. Then there are a lot of rules on how to keep it, you are not allowed to keep the weapon and ammo in the same safe nor are you allowed to transport the weapon and ammo together. And many more small rules that I don't know about. Kills by gunfire are no issue here, they happen of course but not very often and mostly within the criminal environment were nobody pays attention to rules anyway. jeroen |
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| Level 37 Bureaucrat | I'm aware the following sentence will ruffle some feathers but here it is. I'm sick of Americans going on about their Second Amendment rights as if they were some sort of divine law granted from the heavens by God* Himself. A strong constitution is a Good Thing (TM) it helps prevent people's rights being alienated, but just because it's in the constitution doesn't make it reasonable. Surely it's time that we realised that this is no longer the 18th-century civilisation in which the constitution was written; there's no need for average citizens to be carrying guns.They generate a climate of fear and suspicion, and there's just no need for their presence. The one thing that really trumps, as I see it, any argument that we need guns for whatever purpose, is that guns are designed for the sole purpose of killing living things, usually humans. The presence of firearms in American society is much like the presence of nuclear weaponry on the world scale, Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) and all that. If no-one had them, no-one would need them. *I'm an atheist but you know what i mean ![]() edit: hieronymus that sounds like it makes a lot of sense to me ![]() Last edited by Moniker42 : 05-12-2007 at 11:52 AM. |
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| ∀dministrator Join Date: May 2007
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| People should be allowed to do anything that doesn't harm another person. Owning a gun is one of these things. |
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“There can be but little liberty on earth while men worship a tyrant in heaven.”- Robert Green Ingersoll
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| Just getting started | @moniker42: The problem with what you're saying is that you're looking at rights incorrectly. The people should not have to justify their rights to the government. The burden of proof falls on the government when rights are to be restricted. The Government should have to justify every piece of legislation that restricts rights. If that restriction cannot be justified, then the rights should not be limited. Therefore, even if what you said (that there is no need for guns anymore) were true, it wouldn't matter because there is no justifiable reason to limit household gun ownership except to make gun control advocates feel good inside. Last edited by strabes : 05-12-2007 at 12:10 PM. |
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| Just getting started Join Date: May 2007
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| I am anti-gun control. I own serveral guns myself ![]() Quote:
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| Liberty or Death | Quote:
Also, yes, guns are made for killing, but there are certain times when killing is acceptable. If a man comes into your house and puts a gun to your child's head, and you have a gun in your hand, what do you do? | |
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| Be gentle, newcomer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kentucky
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| I strongly support the second amendment. I don't see how anyone, no matter which side of the political spectrum they are on, can feasibly argue against it. Even the crazy hollywood people that are always bashing gun rights have body guards with GUNS. If the government starts going down that road, then the red blooded Americans of this country should remind them why the second amendment was written. |
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| Be gentle, newcomer Join Date: May 2007
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| I believe in gun control. I'll control my gun and you control yours! the "VA Massacre" wouldn't have happened if 1) anybody could have returned fire 2) the feds had not told the local cops to stand down. They told them it was a federal issue. I think it was a CIA Zombie-training exercise. |
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As I've said before, people should be allowed to have guns, but it should be DAMN sure that they are safe with it before they get it. | |
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| ∀dministrator Join Date: May 2007
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Innocent until proven guilty, and all that. | |
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| Just getting started | Guns seem to have become more of a tool in releasing anger and making a statement on his/her/their beliefs. Stricter gun enforcement might be the only method on stopping individuals who wish to inflict harm on others for whatever reasons may be. I am not saying people shouldn't have guns, but the ones you should never obtain them are having an easy time doing so. Stricter guidelines could include extensive background checks, psychology tests, and better reference checks. I personally despise guns, but people who want them should continue to have the right in obtaining them. However, better enforcement on who receives guns can ultimately lead to saving innocent lives. |
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