I don't think that's even remotely true. America has it's problems, but I absolutely do not believe for a moment that bigotry is what drives it's politics.

Fanon, which way were those folks in 1940's Nazi Germany going? You never did clarify your remark before finding this fine tangent known as racism.

Up until my post in another thread a few minutes ago, what proof did you have that I was not a Mexican-American who was opposed to illegal immigration? What proof do we have that you are not a white 12-year old who is out to ruffle feathers? No one knows anything on these forums unless it's in print. You can not make assumptions about these things that you know nothing about because you... will... be... wrong.

I am fascinated by your correlation of the law to racism. Here in the United States (I'm still wondering where you hail from) we have laws that are actually supported by more than the crackers, the honkeys, whitey, and caucasians. Our immigration laws are enforced, enacted, and supported by a rather broad spectrum of the population (economically and ethnically). In my hometown of Orlando, FL I knew many Cuban-Americans who were there legally that were pissed at the migrants coming across from Cuba illegally. I have known Mexicans who despised other Mexicans for crossing illegally.

You see, it has to do with ethics. You come to this country - you follow the rules. Yes, there are still racist elements in this society. If you feel that the laws are racist, then it is your civic duty (so long as you are a citizen and of legal voting age) to let your opinion be known.

Let's hear your qualifications, Fanon. How old are you, where are you from, what race are you, and what are the specifically racist, sexist, and bigoted things that you see happening around you that we, as a society, should change?

matthew,
I suggest you read the history of the Civil Rights Movement in the US.
Or read the history of Reconstruction politics
Or take a look at the historic relevance of the site Reagan chose to officially kick off his presidential campaign.
Or the fact that as a candidate for Senate in Louisiana David Duke former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan received 60% of the white vote but a large black turnout prevented him from winning.

Those are just things off the top of my head. Do you know what you're talking about at all?

It's easy to correlate when the history books draw it up for you. Everything I've written is based in facts pretty easily verifiable. Immigration laws are always precarious things because they usually depend on the sensibilities of the majority. Back when Europeans were immigrating, many illegally, we saw the same attitudes form Anglos in the US. The Pols, Italians, Irish and Jews were eventually integrated into whiteness and it ceased to be a problem for folks.

You brought up Cubans which is a great example. Cubans, who leave Cuba because they are Right Wingers and hate Castro, are welcomed into Miami, while Haitians who are typically much more to the Left (not to mention several shades darker) are locked up or turned back. This is a good example of the biases of immigration law (if it can even really be called problems of law, it's really an issue of selective enforcement).

This stuff is obvious (and easy to find out). I'm pretty much done here. I made my points. If you refuse to do basic research and educate yourself to political histories and realities, a thousand more of my posts aren't going to make you do it.

My reply is here. Enjoy!

It's funny that you bring up the Hatians. In 1995 I was part of JTF-160 on Guantanamo bay. My company of Army MP's was responsible for guarding Camp Fox on Guantanamo Bay. My camp alone had 3,000 Cubans in it. There were at least a dozen other, equally-sized camps on GTMO. There was a small camp right next to ours that housed the Haitians. At the time, there were about 2-3 dozen Haitians in that camp. Odd that we're talking ~30 "several shades darker" vs ~30,000 Cubans.

I'm rather impressed with your research and correlary skills. Ronald Reagan happened to be at a place where three people were killed and some unsavory people that you can not prove turned out to support him were on hand.
You bring up items as current that have not been relevent for decades. I am rather disappointed in this whole evolution.

I do agree with you, though, that a thousand more of your posts won't do it for me. Maybe it's because you have yet to justify any of your statements with a lick of proof or common sense.

Come to America! But do so legally. I realize it can be a long road to do it legally. But that is our law and it must be respected. If one wishes to become an American, do so in whole and not in part.

I do support some measures to deter illegal immigration.

I don't feel one should get a pass for breaking and disrespecting our laws. It is not impossible to apply for legal entry to this country. (unlike what some might want you to believe).

I also do not support measures that afford the same rights to illegals as ones afforded to American citizens and legal residents. Sounds harsh, but other countries laws are much harsher. Just take a look a Mexico and what they say one can and cannot do.

I think that instead of cracking down on the immigrants we should crack down on all the buisinesses that hire illegals, if we don't want them here. If a company hires an illegal and get caught (and we should try to catch them), then they should pay BIG fines. Make it not worth it to them. Because honestly, as long as there are jobs here for them, they will come. They will *only* stop coming when there cease to be jobs. Period.

Measures such as those could work if they were enforced and fines steep enough to where they would not be considered a cost of doing business.

Yessir! Quite typical. Must be the cool thing to do. But agreed... we must being doing something right!
Always love the response to the question... If we [USA] are so rotten, then why do people keep coming en masse?

While you may be impressed with my research abilities (you assume that I don't know basic history and must research it) I cannot say the same for yours.

The significance of Reagan's kickoff speech wasn't that 3 civil rights workers were murdered there. That would be bad enough. But in doing so, Reagan did not mention the slain workers and instead, expressed his support for states rights, understood as code for Southern states to turn back the clock on racial policy without having the Feds breathing down their necks.

Claiming that KKK Grand Wizard, David Duke's unsuccessful senatorial campaign (which garnered 60% of the white Louisiana electorate) is too far in the past to be significant??? It wasn't that long ago. Are you suggesting that there has been significant racial progress since the 90s that disqualifies things that happened then as being relevant?

Barak Obama is running for president and the entire story is that he's not white. Simultaneously, you have Mitt Romney, a Mormon, running for president. It wasn't long ago that the official doctrine of Mormons was that black people were inferior, blatant white supremacy.

Try to imagine any black man being a part of an organization that had an analogous doctrine and even being considered for prez? Hell, he never would have made it within a hundred miles of the Senate, no less the presidency. If that isn't race guiding politics, nothing is.

The background music of Barry Bonds impending eclipse of the Babe Ruth's homerun record was the president talking about baseball steroid use in the State of the Union address.(???) What was that besides using race to manipulate the white population for political gain?

Wreck other economies then when people come to the US seeking a higher wage, you take that as evidence that you must be doing something right?

yes, isn't right the advantage of the stronger?

Wreck other economies? To what are you referring, and what proof do you have? Otherwise, you're all air.

The US is bigoted? Lets take a look at Mexican Constitution as of 2002.

Article 27 restricts or flat out prohibits foreigners from owning land in Mexico.

Article 32 restricts employment of foreigners.
And Article 33 states - Maybe the US should adopt some of Mexico's constitution so that we wont be considered raciest or bigoted.

Where do I stand?

I believe that we should make the process of getting into this nation faster then it is now, especially for our neighbors in Mexico. I do support amnesty for those already here. Them being here is not a problem but not knowing who or where they are is a problem. Right know so many people take advantage of them from gangsters, to businesses, to racist, to politicians. We already have a guest worker program but it leads mostly to the same kind of exploitation as businesses that hire illegal immigrants. In my city a group of guest workers actually tried to execute a citizens arrest for slavery. Basically a guy who was like a middle man between the guest worker program and the businesses that hire them confiscated the guest worker's visa cards. They couldn't leave or work for somebody else. The only option they had was to work for crap wages in even worse living conditions... or do the whole arrest thing.

What really bothers me is the fact that children are being separated from their parents. If the parents are illegal but the kids aren't the parents can be deported leaving the kids to live with relatives, I'm not sure if any have been put into the foster care system. Sometimes illegal children get caught and are sent to these facilities that house them until a parent picks them up. Fear usually keeps the parents away. Some states have locked illegal immigrants up for the stated purpose of hurting their families back in Mexico, is this American?

If you look at all of the practical arguments against Illegal immigration it mostly boils down to the stats of illegal. Like I said earlier it's not them being here thats the problem, it's all of the problems they face due to being undocumented. If they were documented we would know who and where they are, they could find decent work with employers who won't exploit them, and they would be free from fear induced legislation thats usually politically motivated.

EDIT:I just saw the whole racist deal and here's my take

To not see racism as a motivator in this issue is beyond me. It's definitely there on the local level. The militia that formed to "enforce" immigration law on the boarder smacks of the Klueless Klucks Klan. Also whites are not the only racist in this nation, I've personally seen more hatred from older blacks then whites. The fear mongering I see going on reminds me of the scary black man syndrome. I don't know what it's like in the town you folks are from but my area did a whole expose on the "dangers" of illegal immigrants. "They'll rape are women and sell drugs to our kids" was the basic message, sound familiar?

I personally think illegal aliens should be deported. They should have to jump through the hoops like the legals did. I have no problem with immigrants so long as they a) are legal b) obey the laws of the land and c) pay their taxes :P

Holy cow, man. I have to look this up. Seriously, this is a good point for all of those out there that like to point out how racist the American government's immigration laws are.

Thank you for the info.

It looks like Article 37.A.I might be why quite a few Mexicans come here illegally and don't even try to become citizens.

Article 82 shows the same bigotry that people accuse the U.S. of in the election of president... in fact, it seems that wasy throughout all governmental positions (President, Deputy/Senator, Supreme Court Justice, etc).

Where is this one from? Wake up , illegals cause lots of problems. They are the ones who bring the drugs here from Mexico. This is well documented with the DEA. How do you think they get here if they don't break the law. How about amnesty for bank robbers, rapists and other law breakers? The law is the law. If you break it you are a criminal. What is so hard to understand? they are criminals.
And yes they do rape and steal from the areas they leech into. Also documented by DEA and local governments.

If i may quote a co-worker of mine . . . and I think I may:

"I'd like to collect social security . . . somebody has to pay for that . . . let's let them all in and make them legal social security paying citizens."

LOL, I wonder why I never heard of that before...

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