Should George Bush be removed as the president? Is approval rating is one of the lowest if not the lowest in history and lets face it the Iraq war is a complete mess.

What are your thoughts?

Yes. Why?

-He has presided over the suspension of habeas corpeas, a rule that has been in effect in the USA since the British colonial era, predating even the U.S. Constitution.

-He has given not only tacit approval, but has bluntly stated that the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of foreign combatants will not be applied to people captured in Afghanistan and Iraq (and other places?). Whether these people genuinely fit the full-definition of enemy combatant (belong to the armed forces of a hostile government, etc.) is immaterial in my view. People should be treated with respect and torture is never a valid option. You don't change people's minds to your viewpoint by humiliating them and subjecting them to emotional/physical/mental trauma. That creates life-long enemies, both among the mistreated and their home cultures. Japan and Germany have become what they are today in part because of the treatment they received after their defeat in World War II.

Wow. That's just for starters.

It's so close to the end there's no point removing him now. Besides, if we remove him we would get Cheney as president.
*shudder*

Two very good points...especially that second one.

Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing them both go. If there was a real bi-partisan move to remove them from office, it might help get rid of the massive amounts of fighting between the reps and dems. I don't remember it being so cut-throat back in the Clinton days.

scary thats what it is..

Yes! Yes! Yes!
He's doing worse and worse every day!

It would be interesting if he was fired and sent to Iraq.

Pelosi stated after the midterm elections she wasn't going to pursue impeachment of President George W. Bush.

However, given the latest poll, 39% of Americans would like to see Bush impeached. I don't want to see Cheney in charge though. He's the one who spoofed the whole mess to begin with.

Bush and Cheney need to be put in fatigues and sent to fight, let them suffer a little.

Oh how opinions would change.

Nobody deserves to suffer.

They should however be prosecuted, and send to jail for lieing about a war. Cheney should serve in jail for spreading a false story to the media outlet Judith Miller.

When you get right down to it, you can't PROVE that they lied about the war. They could have genuinely believed that there were WMD's...

However, they changed their reasons for invading pretty quickly didn't they?

Impeached... no. As someone else said, he's close to the end, and from what I've heard Cheney wouldn't be a nice President. Face it, even if he had good intentions, he's bungled that war.

Now I'm a Canadian, and as I look at the purely bi-partisan system you have, I see two terrible options. What I don't understand is why there aren't more parties like other Western democracies. A two party system really means that people's views become more generalized or a government messes up trying to please everyone who votes for them.

Up here we have four parties in the House of Commons (Conservative, Liberal, New Democrat (socialist), and Bloc Quebecois (seperatist), with the Green party on the threshold), and as the Conservative party is in a minority government situation (which you can't get in the States), you get some good deals going on between parties.

Honestly, you need more real choices. Otherwise it's going to be purely politicing between two parties because the other is their only opponent.

As an American, I wholeheartedly agree. Now, how do we get the something like 98% of registered voters who belong to either the Democratic or the Republican party to listen to us?

People can believe whatever they want. The fact of the matter is the evidence provided for war didn't originally exist. And yes, they changed their reasoning quite quickly.

If Clinton could be impeached for having an affair then Bush and Cheney should definetly be impeached for lying to the whole freaking world about Iraq and dragging us into an unwinnable unneeded war. Sure Saddam was horrible, but so are a half dozen other dictatorships - and we aren't invading them!! (examples? How bout china? Pakistan? Saudi Arabia?)

So yeah. I think Bush should be impeached as should Cheney. And quite a few other folks in the GOP!!

No. The sheer level of partisanship at the top level means that a Bush impeachment would basically lead to an impeachment every single time Congress and the President are of different parties.

A little Constitutional law for all the non-US citizens (the US people should already have known this).

The only justifications for impeachment under the US Constitution are "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors". Being mistaken about Intelligence information does not rise to this standard.

In Clinton's case, he clearly lied under oath, which is a felony (which can be considered one of those "high crimes"). Ultimately, the trial by the Senate needed to remove from office is a political affair, and there was no stomach for it amongst the electorate. So he stayed.

While there may be the "stomach for it" politically now as applied to Bush, there is no basis on which to bring such an action. Also, the Democrat's hold on both houses of Congress is relatively thin. It will never happen.

Oh, I think theres a good possibility Bush and/or Cheney have lied underoath. And I personally feel that they have committed treason by helping there buddies get rich at the expense of the rest of us... and yeah.

I realize that probably it'll never happen. But hey, a girl can dream, can't she??

No; at least not yet.

The last thing in the world we need is to have President Cheney.


It's the whole issue of Nixon-Agnew again. We need a Ford in the Vice Presidency before Bush can be impeached safely.