Well, maybe. However, I think they just know we are all just stuck with them.........They are as arrogant about the fact that they openly lie (or mislead) as they are about their corporate obligations.

Pretty much; lobbyists killed the political process a long time ago.

I want to believe that but if everyone remembers the events leading up to the war, Bush's actions would suggest otherwise. At the time, Hans Blix and his crew were in Iraq searching for WMD's and Iraq was under intense international scrutiny which means that any "immenent threat" that existed was now on hold. Hans Blix was forced out of Iraq when Bush anounced that the first phase of the war was to begin and that the inspectors must leave because their safety could not be gauranteed. Bush wanted Blix out because he could not afford to have him deliver an official report of findings to the U.N. He knew that Blix would find nothing. I firmly believe that Iraq was a target from the beginning and 9/11/2001 was Bush's ticket to the big show. I don't like believing this but this adminstration's actions here and abroad, it's attitudes towards other countries, and it's willingness to render our Constitution null and void when it interferes with it's agenda, tells me that we have elected one of the worst world leaders ever.

I'm quite inclined to agree.

And even now with all these statements regarding how Bush was told that the British intelligence report stating that the WMDs were there was faulty and not to be trusted... It's all slimy.

If we get rid of Bush and Cheney, then our next President is the Speaker of the House: Nancy Pelosi

Actually, the smart play by the GOP would be to go along with the removal of Cheney and put a more moderate Republican in his spot, and then let Bush get impeached.

That way they still maintain the presidency.


Also, because having one party have a majority or hold all 3 areas of the federal government is bad stuff.

The GOP is in a no-win situation right now. The religious right has successfully hijacked the party and the war on Iraq has screwed them over with the voting base in general. If it wasn't for all the money tied to the party I'd fully expect the party to collapse.

As it is, the next few years will be interesting from a political standpoint. The party can't reinvent itself while under the control of the Religious Right, and it's only going to swing more to their side of thigs.

I agree, but Conservative:Liberal justices in the Supreme Court are 5:4 IIRC.

Bush & co. are criminals, IMO. They should be tried for treason. He took an oath to uphold the Constitution, which he has very obviously not kept.

Other way around. It's 5 liberals or liberal-leaning judges and 4 conservatives or conservative-leaning judges. Otherwise we'd have been a lot worse off in the 6 years 2001-2006 under full Republican control.

I just checked Wikipedia (so you know it's true ) and it says 4 conservative, 4 liberal, and one that they call the "swing voter"

He's liberal enough in comparison. If we ever got a true conservative majority in the Supreme Court we'd be screwed.

Yes, but it must be both Bush and Cheney. Then they should be tried for treason and war crimes!

I think panickedthumb has it right really, who would want Cheney as president, and also, it is so close to the end that by the time anything got rolling in terms of impeachment they'd already be going out the door.

Keep in mind though, impeachment doesn't usually mean that a President is removed from office. Nixon resigned, he didn't have to, although it was the right thing to do considering his actions. Also, I don't think what Bush has done falls under the articles of impeachment, I haven't read it for quite some time though and could be wrong there.

The second we all found out that Bush was wrong about the WMD's (lying or just believed and was wrong) that's when he should have been held accountable. Had Congress, the press, and the American people gone after him then, when he was vulnerable, we could have really stripped him of the power high he was/is on.
Problem is, the whole country seemed to be on a post 9/11 patriotism high at the time, and everyone in D.C. was afraid of not supporting the war time President for how it would reflect upon their careers.

Also, all of the new laws and constitution tweaks Bush made in order to do his job (as he claims) should have been eradicated the second we realized what was really going on. I find it sickening in this country that all a President has to do to get out of something is just keep spinning the truth to the press and let their analysts (glorified talk radio jocks) continue to spin it in their own ways until everyone is so burnt out on the topic they don't even want to hear about it anymore, let alone act on the topic. Media fatigue is dangerous to our system and way of life.
As someone else said in this thread, it seems like the moment Bush got busted on not finding any WMD's, he within minutes seems to have come up with a whole new reason for fighting the war and acted dismissive when anyone asked him about the WMD's. Denial of incompetence should not be a presidents political stance.

Our two party system is ridiculous, but as long as the Republicans and the Democrats have a stranglehold on power, they aren't about to give up a slice to some other party and let them get their foot in the door. Plus they seem to enjoy locking other parties out of the debates, and the press actually helps them do it. On the other hand, too many parties in a system can also be a bad thing, as it has been in many countries.

If you want Bush to be held accountable, or to see other party be allowed to compete in the political process, or the war to end, basically all Americans are going to have to make a big noise about it.
But sadly, as is the case with most issues in this country, American Apathy is destroying us. Everyone will complain, few will stand up and be counted.

Should Bush be removed? Yes. Will he be? No. Even if Cheney got the boot too, the Speaker of the House is not qualified (imo) to be President, neither are any of Bush's Cabinet members.

[quote=panickedthumb;294]When you get right down to it, you can't PROVE that they lied about the war. They could have genuinely believed that there were WMD's...
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They could have genuinely believed in unicorns as well. That doesn't make them exist,nor is it justification for invading a sovereign nation to prove to the rest of the world that they exist.

George W Bush should be put to death !

After cheating his way into power he has done nothing but act like the spoiled brat he is how can a man that didn't even rise above C grade in school have the wisdom to govern half the world and influence the other half, he can't even give a speech without making a fol of himself, everything he has done has been for personal gain, he should be dumped in Iraq and left to his own resources cattle rasing plouging the ground with a chikens wishbone what ever just got out of our sites and he should be put in a gas chamber for his moves on pollution yes on pollution he has done nothing but favour petrol companies (run by himself and buddies) call global warming junk science and ignor the rest of the world

[quote=stucky;1770]hahahahahahaha lol

I lol'ed.

This is the true answer! What would be different then.

It sure makes me sick sometimes. I can see him lying to people during his speeches and for only his benefit. I am primarily Republican in many views, however, Democratic in many others. As you can see, I get confused easily! Not about this though. He has no place being where he is.

SirShaggy

PS - This is my first post here, nice to see all of you here! Good Fortune to ALL.

As sad as it is, you might need to watch out saying stuff like that. (feels kinda like russia doesnt it?)
makes me think of the girl in california who got plucked out of her high school class by CIA or secret service or other gov. organization for writing negatively about bush on her myspace