The battle for Raw milk - Page 2

bvc · 08-12-2007

well I look for a post to be relevant to the thread topic and since there's no evidence raw milk shortens life or is more bad than good for us, and there is evidence pasteurized milk is more bad than good for us I wondered why you stated life expectancy for those living thousands of years ago, was about 35 years.

Iandefor · 08-12-2007

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Originally Posted by OrangeCrate

What does this have to do with my original statement?

Nothing, actually. I was way too hasty in hitting the reply button and missed the rest of that post. Shan't happen again.

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Where in my post does it say that I disagree with you? Did you read this?

Nowhere, and yes.

I wasn't responding to you, but making a more general position statement. I've edited my post to (hopefully) clarify that.

OrangeCrate · 08-12-2007

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Originally Posted by Iandefor

I've edited my post to (hopefully) clarify that.

Fair enough.

NoTiG · 08-12-2007

Now it is almonds too. Whats next ?

Almond Growers Seek Delay of Pasteurization Rule

Rasczak · 08-12-2007

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Originally Posted by NoTiG

I think it is kind of atrocious that the government can just claim that something we have done for thousands of years (drink raw milk) is now bad for us... and outlaw it. Even if that were true we have a right to our own bodies... but the great catch is that they are totally wrong. You want an example of the government infringing on our liberties? The illegalization of raw milk is one example.

Corrupt government officials bent on forcing pasteurized milk down our throats, in league with the ebil and powerful pasteuriser lobby.

Buy a fucking cow, milk it, and drink all the raw milk you can stomach. Jeezus.

hairy_Palms · 08-12-2007

you dont need to treat it as a conspiricy theory rasczak,
Its just the plain stupidity of it, it would be like banning organic potatoes simply because genetically modified ones have longer shelf life. sure the GM ones might be better for you, but theres nothing been found wrong with the old ones so may as well leave em alone.

Rasczak · 08-12-2007

What is stupid is the suggestion that the consumer's rights have been violated. Drinking raw milk isn't illegal. It could be argued the seller's rights have been violated. But to be honest, I'm really not all that familiar with milk-selling laws, and there isn't this longing, aching, raw milk-shaped hole in my heart, so I should probably just butt out of this ridiculous thread.

hairy_Palms · 08-12-2007

By the logic your using drinking alcohol isnt illegal for 10 year olds, its only the sale thats illegal, if you cant sell it legally, its effectively illegal.
whether or not you personally drink or want to drink raw milk has no bearing on the issue.

Rasczak · 08-12-2007

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Originally Posted by hairy_Palms

By the logic your using drinking alcohol isnt illegal for 10 year olds, its only the sale thats illegal, if you cant sell it legally, its effectively illegal.
whether or not you personally drink or want to drink raw milk has no bearing on the issue.

If you milk a cow and drink it right from the teat will you be arrested?

Ok, my work is done here. I'm butting out for real now. I'll try anyway.

hanover.fiste · 08-15-2007

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Originally Posted by Iandefor

My own two cents: It's none of the government's damn business. If I want to drink raw milk, I can think of no reason why they have the right to prevent me.

As long as your increased health care costs (if any) and/or early death (should that occur) are/is borne entirely by you, and as long as those same health effects (if any) and/or early death have no impact on society as a whole, and specifically, your family, then I say drink, smoke, or do whatever you damn well please.

But I tried raw milk. It's pretty nasty, if you ask me.

yaaarrrgg · 08-15-2007

You know, I just dumped a whole freezer filled with breast milk. If I had known there was interest in drinking it, I wouldn't have thrown it all away.

Iandefor · 08-15-2007

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Originally Posted by hanover.fiste

As long as your increased health care costs (if any) and/or early death (should that occur) are/is borne entirely by you, and as long as those same health effects (if any) and/or early death have no impact on society as a whole, and specifically, your family, then I say drink, smoke, or do whatever you damn well please.

But I tried raw milk. It's pretty nasty, if you ask me.

Oh, I have no particular interest in drinking raw milk. I just don't think it's the rightful domain of government to demand of a milk seller that their milk be treated in any way. Let the seller and the consumer decide if they want to sell and buy raw milk.

I also see no reason why the costs of their (possible) healthful improprieties should be borne by everyone else.

NoTiG · 08-16-2007

The taste of raw milk varies depending on the diet of the cows, their breed ETC. Also how fresh it is...

I owned a share in a cow and it was delicious.... But even though it is more expensive, it cost me an extra 10 bucks in shipping per week because it is illegal for stores to carry it.

NoTiG · 08-16-2007

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Originally Posted by Iandefor

Oh, I have no particular interest in drinking raw milk. I just don't think it's the rightful domain of government to demand of a milk seller that their milk be treated in any way. Let the seller and the consumer decide if they want to sell and buy raw milk.

I also see no reason why the costs of their (possible) healthful improprieties should be borne by everyone else.

That was actually one of my arguments against socialized medicine... why should we subsidize someone who decides to eat donuts... and doesn't care about their health until something goes wrong? About 90% of the population.

hanover.fiste · 08-16-2007

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Originally Posted by NoTiG

That was actually one of my arguments against socialized medicine... why should we subsidize someone who decides to eat donuts... and doesn't care about their health until something goes wrong? About 90% of the population.

We're already subsidizing it via health insurance premiums. My premium has gone up every year for as long as I can remember, even though other than my yearly physical, I never go see a doctor.

08-12-2007	#21 (permalink)
bvc Eligible for a custom title Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 113	Re: The battle for Raw milk well I look for a post to be relevant to the thread topic and since there's no evidence raw milk shortens life or is more bad than good for us, and there is evidence pasteurized milk is more bad than good for us I wondered why you stated life expectancy for those living thousands of years ago, was about 35 years.

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NoTiG Eligible for a custom title Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 192	Re: The battle for Raw milk Now it is almonds too. Whats next ? Almond Growers Seek Delay of Pasteurization Rule

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hairy_Palms Chuck Norris Join Date: May 2007 Location: London, England Posts: 330	Re: The battle for Raw milk you dont need to treat it as a conspiricy theory rasczak, Its just the plain stupidity of it, it would be like banning organic potatoes simply because genetically modified ones have longer shelf life. sure the GM ones might be better for you, but theres nothing been found wrong with the old ones so may as well leave em alone.
	http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/ "Creationism is not a scientific alternative to natural selection any more than the stork theory is an alternative to sexual reproduction." — Hayes, 1996.

08-12-2007	#27 (permalink)
Rasczak Stirrer Of Shit Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oahu Posts: 3,597	Re: The battle for Raw milk What is stupid is the suggestion that the consumer's rights have been violated. Drinking raw milk isn't illegal. It could be argued the seller's rights have been violated. But to be honest, I'm really not all that familiar with milk-selling laws, and there isn't this longing, aching, raw milk-shaped hole in my heart, so I should probably just butt out of this ridiculous thread.
	Eric "For whoever habitually suppresses the truth in the interests of tact will produce a deformity from the womb of his thought." -Sir Basil H. Liddel-Hart http://self-composed.com

08-12-2007	#28 (permalink)
hairy_Palms Chuck Norris Join Date: May 2007 Location: London, England Posts: 330	Re: The battle for Raw milk By the logic your using drinking alcohol isnt illegal for 10 year olds, its only the sale thats illegal, if you cant sell it legally, its effectively illegal. whether or not you personally drink or want to drink raw milk has no bearing on the issue.
	http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/ "Creationism is not a scientific alternative to natural selection any more than the stork theory is an alternative to sexual reproduction." — Hayes, 1996.

08-15-2007	#31 (permalink)
yaaarrrgg Super Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 829	Re: The battle for Raw milk You know, I just dumped a whole freezer filled with breast milk. If I had known there was interest in drinking it, I wouldn't have thrown it all away.

08-16-2007	#33 (permalink)
NoTiG Eligible for a custom title Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 192	Re: The battle for Raw milk The taste of raw milk varies depending on the diet of the cows, their breed ETC. Also how fresh it is... I owned a share in a cow and it was delicious.... But even though it is more expensive, it cost me an extra 10 bucks in shipping per week because it is illegal for stores to carry it.