What, precisely, is inhumane about raising and slaughtering animals. Some specific operators may run an inhumane operation, or a particular practice may be inhumane, but to claim that it is inhumane to kill animals under any circumstance is lunacy.

As long as the animal does not suffer, it is humane by definition.

That is a fine distinction, and one you can debate depending on your values.

Yet the fact is that the VAST majority of the MILLIONS of animals that are slaughtered DAILY not only die cruel, painful deaths, often hanging from a hook while their blood drains, but they are raised in factory farms which torture them in various ways for their entire lives. You may not be aware of this, or you may hide yourself from the evidence of it as most meat-eaters and milk-drinkers must, but that does not change the reality of it. It is merely willful ignorance.

Pick up the book Food Revolution by John Robbins, read it entirely, and then see what you think about how humane humans are being. The picture of a cow on a little idyllic farm is rare, indeed. It is not what modern meat and dairy production has become.

Read the thread using the link I gave above - that has some other links on this subject, including a movie. Or did you not want to be informed?

I grew up on a farm. I know how non-factory farming goes. Factory farming can be inhumane, as can some slaughterhouse and feed lot operations.

The "little idyllic farm" is far from rare. I don't know what part of the country you're in, but my employer runs one, my father runs one, my uncle runs one, and so on. There's nothing inhumane going on on their farms, I'm sure, and in my area, they are the norm. Many people here are part-time cattle ranchers.

I've slaugtered animals myself. I'm not a fan of the "knocking" that goes on in your typical slaughterhouse, but I don't consider it inhumane. Bleeding to death is not a painfull way to die. The animals are hung to expedite the process.

If you think I'm "hiding" from anything, you're mistaken. Are you hiding from the fact that humans are omnivores?

I've read and even posted in that thread you're linking to. If people don't want to eat meat and dairy products, more power to them. If people want to protest factory farming, fine. I don't like them, either. But, you're never going to convince me that eating meat is immoral or inhumane, unto itself.

Never is a long time. You too will evolve in your understandings, as will humanity as a whole. There is no where else to go but up, and nothing else to become but more aware.

You can act against your nature just so long. The consequences eventually assert themselves, and you choose differently.

I once met a steer named LordFu. He could not understand why he was being treated so harshly. I tried to explain that he was eating himself, but he did not yet understand.

Great! That leaves all the more for me!

Animals feeding on other animals is sort of the thing that animals do. Humans aren't the only carnivores on the planet and to claim that the fact that we have made the process more orderly we are suddenly exploiting and torturing the animals?

Would you prefer spears and arrows? Or rocks and clubs? As humans we need to consume products from other animals to get certain vitamins that we need to live.

We didn't suddenly turn carnivores when we became civilised

Unless it is a porterhouse or tenderloin, I don't care much for steak...make mine prime rib.

I voted Medium Rare although I have been known to eat it rare.

my uncle said "make it hop over the moon"

At what point is life more sacred? Why is a cockroach for instance less sacred than a bunny rabbit? At what point does it become inhumane to kill something? That is the problem with fanatical vegans . Do you even realize you daily ingest billions of bacteria.. many of which die. You are killing life , but also feeding life all the time whether you know it or not. It is the circle of life.

The reason why vegans make such a distinction for animals like bunnies and cows is because they are cuter.. because they are more of an embodiment of themselves rather than something strange and foreign. That is how shallow and selfish they are.

I *LOVE* the little bit of pink in the middle. Really has a ton of flavor to it.. now I want steak, but it's 1:31 AM... Curses.

This thread has been cleaned up and reopened.

Try to stay on topic. No more hijacking please

So, where were we?

Have you ever made a home made vegetable beef soup, using 2 diced ribeye steaks as the beef?? I know, it's an expensive pot of soup, but my word its some good stuff

I'll take a Fillet of Steak about 2 inches thick. Seared on all sides and pink in the middle with mashed potatoes and sauted mushrooms and onions.

...drenched in pepper-cream sauce with a dash of cognac.

Superb!

I like a good tuna steak with a hint of garlic and a boletus or shiitake ragout with some rice.

The Steak has to be well done.

Oh yes, definitely

Yum!